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> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2005 : Issue 2720
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> Today's Topics:
> RE: Request to remove Information [ Robert Brockway <rbrockway@opentren ]
> Re: web-based http password/group ma [ allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com (Allan ]
> Re: web-based http password/group ma [ Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> ]
> Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7. [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com ]
> Re: web-based http password/group ma [ Alvin Oga <aoga@mail.Linux-Consulti ]
> Re: Request to remove Information [ Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com ]
> Re: Request to remove Information [ Gnu-Raiz <Gnu-Raiz@midsouth.rr.com> ]
> Re: A few general questions from a D [ Robert Brockway <rbrockway@opentren ]
> grammar checkers [ Mark Grieveson <dg135@torfree.net> ]
> Re: grammar checkers [ Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org> ]
> OT: Issue with rsync under Windows X [ Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily. ]
> Re: Tools to manipulate PDFs [ "John M. Gabriele" <john_sips_tea@y ]
> Re: wiki package recommendation [ "John M. Gabriele" <john_sips_tea@y ]
> Re: unsubsrib [ Scott <angrykeyboarder@angrykeyboar ]
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Robert Brockway <rbrockway@opentrend.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: Request to remove Information
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:35:03 -0500
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> > A US national would be someone living legally in the US. You're *only*
>
> That's not the definition that is commonly accepted. The term 'national'
> when used as a noun is interchangeable with citizen. This is what
> dictionary.com says about the noun 'national':
>
> National, noun:
>
> 1. A citizen of a particular nation. See Synonyms at citizen.
>
> 2. A contest or tournament involving participants from all parts of a
> nation. Often used in the plural.
>
> The people who may legally live in any given nation cannot be easily
> defined as a right to reside is often covered under numerous different
> laws. Among those who can legally live in the US include: US citizens,
> Canadians or Mexicans on a TN visa, H1-B visa holders, Australians on an
> E-3 visa, refugees, and the spouses of most of the afore mentioned
> categories.
>
> > allowed to hire US nationals inside US territory.
>
> This is not true regardless of which definition of national is used. Who
> can be hired in the US is a more complex issue than who can live there :)
> For example, the spouses of TN visa holders cannot work in the US but the
> spouses of E-3 visa holders can.
>
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073
> Senior Technical Consultant Email: support@opentrend.net
> OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net
> We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Allan Wind <allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org>, Alvin Oga <aoga@mail.Linux-Consulting.com>
> Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:57:22 -0500
>
> On 2005-11-13T17:34:36+1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want
> > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply.
>
> webmin?
>
>
> /Allan
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org>
> To: Alvin Oga <aoga@mail.Linux-Consulting.com>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:34:36 +1100
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:50:07PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone recommend a good web-based (CGI, PHP etc) manager for HTTP
> > > password/group files?
> > >
> > > Specifically I need to maintain a list of users, and assign the users to
> > > one or more groups.
> >
> > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files to add/delete users :-)
>
> This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want
> web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply.
>
>
> thanks
>
> Hamish
> --
> Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: compiling mozilla 1.8a4 vs. 1.7.12 + truetype
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:46:28 -0600
>
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Come to find out that mozilla went backwards in their release version
> > numbers: 1.7.12 is later than 1.8a4 or 1.8b1.
> >
> > Anyway I compile 1.8a4 with:
> > #used 07/09 on HDB2 Sarge Disk with moz1.8a4
> > ac_add_options --enable-default-mozilla-five-home=/opt/mozilla
> > ac_add_options --with-x
> > ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=gtk2
> > ac_add_options --enable-crypto
> > ac_add_options --enable-xft2
> > ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O3
> > ac_add_options --enable-reorder
> > ac_add_options --enable-strip
> > ac_add_options --enable-elf-dynstr-gc
> > ac_add_options --enable-cpp-rtti
> > ac_add_options --enable-extensions=all
> > ac_add_options --disable-svg
> > ac_add_options --disable-freetype2
> > ac_add_options --disable-jsd
> > ac_add_options --disable-accessibility
> > ac_add_options --disable-tests
> > ac_add_options --disable-debug
> > ac_add_options --disable-dtd-debug
> > ac_add_options --disable-logging
> > ac_add_options --disable-toolkit-gtk
> > ac_add_options --disable-xprint
> > ac_add_options --with-gssapi=/usr/include/gssapi
> > ac_add_options --enable-application=suite
> > ac_add_options --enable-calendar
> >
> > Which gives you antialiasing support and TT.
> >
> > When you compile 1.7.12 with those options you get no antialiasing and
> > no TT.
> >
> > Anybody have a clue how to get TT and antialiasing when compiling 1.7.12?
> >
>
> The answer was provided in the netscape.public.mozilla.builds:
>
> It is not:
> ac_add_options --enable-xft2
> but:
> ac_add_options --enable-xft
>
> Who knows why this works with 1.8a4.
>
> On a separate note: 1.8a4 scrolls editor windows in pages like Yahoo!
> mail with the scroll wheel. 1.7.12 does not.
>
> Can anybody confirm this?
>
> H
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Alvin Oga <aoga@mail.Linux-Consulting.com>
> To: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: web-based http password/group manager
> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:19:09 -0800
>
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> > > vi ... takes about 5 seconds bring up the files to add/delete users :-)
> >
> > This is true ;-) Except for encrypted passwords. Anyway, I want
> > web-based so that web accounts can be administered more simply.
>
> couple minutes to make a cgi-script that:
>
> func add users()
> htpasswd -c .htpasswd newuser
>
> htpasswd administers its passwd automatically
> and nothing to do about it .. including
> changing from des to rsa to foo-encryption
>
> find and delete users()
> if [ grep user .htpasswd ]
> grep -iv user < .htpasswd.old > .htpasswd
>
> add the cosmetics as needed, or more importantly,
> filter out all the whacky things like "rm -rf /" as
> a username and/or passwd and watch for race conditions
>
> or install somebody else's appp and spend min/hrs/days/weeks
> trying to figure out what they intended for you to be doing
>
> either way.. you will still need to make a webpage
> that calls their cgi or your cleaned up cgi-as-above
> to change your all important .htpasswd and .htaccess
> and other equivalent files
>
> c ya
> alvin
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Request to remove Information
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:01:32 -0600
>
> Weissgerber, Tom L wrote:
> > //Debian,//
> >
> > //The following information should not have been made available to the
> > entire public domain. Please remove the following links/files at your
> > earliest convenience. //
> >
> > * //Date//: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:57:42 -0700
> > * //Message-id//:
> > <1B954E6DDFED0D41957388EB06FCB1D202CB9CC5@fmsmsx402.fm.intel.com
> > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>>
> >
> > * //In-reply-to//:
> > <1B954E6DDFED0D41957388EB06FCB1D202CB9CC5@fmsmsx402.fm.intel.com
> > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>>
> > * //Message-id//: <200309260552.13250.carla@bratgrrl.com
> > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04364.html>>
> > * //Old-return-path//: <carla@bratgrrl.com>
> > * //References//:
> > <1B954E6DDFED0D41957388EB06FCB1D202CB9CC5@fmsmsx402.fm.intel.com
> > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg04351.html>>
> > * //Reply-to//: carla@bratgrrl.com <mailto:carla%40bratgrrl.com>
> >
> >
>
> Nice note.
> Who made you write it?
>
> I know how it happened! I did the same once ;-)
> You are looking at the debian user list in the Mail-News window and you
> decide to write a letter. You send it thinking you are in your inbox,
> but your are not, you are in the newsgroup section and out and away she
> goes.
> Is Bangalore nice?
>
> H
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Gnu-Raiz <Gnu-Raiz@midsouth.rr.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Request to remove Information
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 01:12:47 -0600
>
> On 15:21, Sat 12 Nov 05, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Seth Goodman wrote:
> >
> > > Are you curious why? They have a sense of national pride and feel a part
> > > of the Indian economy, thus they naturally prefer to hire their own
> > > nationals. That's illegal here, but thankfully, they are not so
> > > constrained.
> >
> > It's not illegal here, but with the way Americans treat each other on the
> > job, it might as well be.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Johnson
> > Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): baloo@ursine.ca
> > Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber
>
>
> Why do people talk about just out sourcing, what about age
> discrimination and also quota's. Just because their is a law
> for it doesn't mean that it's not done. Don't people wonder
> what the not qualified, term means. The same goes for those
> who are male and female, gender challenged. If the person who
> does the hiring is biased then it will show. People should
> not do that but they do, the same goes for the best
> qualified person, many times the best person is not hired,
> due to inlaws, and buddies who need a job.
>
> Sure you could sue, but if your jobless, and need to put
> food on the table it is over looked, also it's hard to
> prove.
>
> A while ago a few Universities decided to change their
> admitance policy, due to law and trying to be more fair.
> Guess what the special intrests groups are in a uproar as
> certain groups in the community have seen a drop in
> admitance.
>
> Also some people want to push for the rights of all children
> to have a paid education. Or some people think we owe them
> due to what happened in the past.
>
> Enough of this double standard, for example one of the
> political themes going around is the thought that some
> policies are bad for a nation. It's almost like one nation can
> be freeier then another, like my freedom is better than
> yours, since my cousin, friend, died in a war. Freedom is
> Freedom, don't we all have the same right's, why should I
> put a price on your freedom comparied to mine? What people
> are doing is putting a price on liberty, and freedom, this
> will lead to more problems.
>
> I think their is no easy answer, unless you can think of a
> way to change human nature, without trampling peoples
> rights.
>
> Gnu_Raiz
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Robert Brockway <rbrockway@opentrend.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:43:53 -0500
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Scott wrote:
>
> > I was absolutely blown away by this:
> >
> > The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04!
> > http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/
> >
> > I'm rather surprised to see this. Why?
> >
> > Firefox is currently @ 1.07 and every "point" release since 1.0 has been
> > due to security issues.
>
> It's normal for the Debian security team to backport changes into the
> existing code base in Debian. Thus I expect the Firefox 1.04 to be the
> vanilla source 1.04 plus backported security fixes. This is a _good_
> thing as it means less changes on an update. This is one of the strengths
> of the Debian approach.
>
> Rob
>
> --
> Robert Brockway B.Sc. Phone: +1-416-669-3073
> Senior Technical Consultant Email: support@opentrend.net
> OpenTrend Solutions Ltd. Web: www.opentrend.net
> We are open 24x365 for technical support. Call us in a crisis.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Mark Grieveson <dg135@torfree.net>
> To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: grammar checkers
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:38:02 -0500
>
> > And now back to my first digression: I realize that Abiword's latest
> > > has a grammar check (coincidentally, I also had no problem installing
> > > the latest Abiword on Sarge, which means anyone could install it, the
> > > newest of the new, on Sarge). However, it fell far short of WordPerfect
> > > 6.1's Grammatik (released just as mankind was picking up sticks and
> > > learning to beat the Monolith, I believe). Likewise, Diction, a Unix
> > > tool, has been around forever; so, why do Linux word processors not have
> > > something that Windows word processors have had since mankind first
> > > realized the significance of having an opposable digit?
>
> > That must have been some grammar checker in WP 6.1. Every one I've ever
> > used in Word (up through Word 2000) sucked.
> >
> It was very good. It would not only point out grammar errors, but
> gave thorough explanations as well (for example: "This sentence is in
> the passive voice, ie, 'The ball was thrown by John'. Consider
> rewording to the active voice, ie, 'John threw the ball'").
>
> A function of computers is to help people to communicate, and become
> empowered. Some computer users are recent immigrants, for whom
> English is not their first language. Some computer users did not
> have a chance to attend post-secondary education, and worry about how
> they sound. And some are educated, but still like to have both their
> spelling and grammar checked once in a while. Whenever I ask, in a
> Linux forum, why Linux word processors do not have grammar checkers, I
> usually receive snobby answers implying that grammar checkers are
> stupid, and therefore so am I. And this always surprises me.
>
> Of course, my being surprised by snobbishness from the Linux community
> is kinda stupid on my part, I suppose.
>
> Anyway, I will now get off my soapbox.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Steve Lamb <grey@dmiyu.org>
> To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: grammar checkers
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:25:35 -0800
>
> Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > It was very good. It would not only point out grammar errors, but gave
> > thorough explanations as well (for example: "This sentence is in the
> > /passive voice, /ie, 'The ball was thrown by John'. Consider rewording
> > to the /active voice,/ ie, 'John threw the ball'").
>
> Ah, yes, the active, passive voice "error".
>
> Mary's black eye stung. It had been hit by a ball. She looked at each of
> her classmates. John was the only one who would not look her in the eye. She
> knew, the ball had been thrown by John.
>
> DINGDINGDING, passive voice! But that's what fits there.
>
> > A function of computers is to help people to communicate, and become
> > empowered.
>
> No, the function of computers is to do what we tell them to do, not the
> other way around.
>
> > Some computer users are recent immigrants, for whom English
> > is not their first language. Some computer users did not have a chance
> > to attend post-secondary education, and worry about how they sound. And
> > some are educated, but still like to have both their spelling and
> > grammar checked once in a while.
>
> These are precisely the people who shouldn't be using grammer software and
> should use spelling software with care. It is because just these people might
> not know there is a mistake in the words their software approves because
> they're spelled correctly[1]. Spelling, being far more mechanical than
> grammer, is easier to check. Grammer suffers exponentially from the same
> problem. Just because the computer says it is right doesn't make it so. It's
> great for people who are fluent so they can have a second check on their work.
> But it must always be secondary to their own spelling and grammer. They must
> have the confidence to know when they are correct and the computer is
> incorrect otherwise they will make many misguided mistakes and end up sounding
> like their missives were computer generated.
>
> [1] Why yes, their, there and they're were put into that sentence as an
> example. Have a cookie!
>
> --
> Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
> PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
> -------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Alan Chandler <alan@chandlerfamily.org.uk>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: OT: Issue with rsync under Windows XP
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:26:15 +0000
>
> Off topic I know, but just a hope that someone here may have an answer
>
> I have long backed up my work laptop (running win2k) by running the rsync
> daemon using cygrunsrv on the lap top and using an overnight cron job from my
> Debian server to suck out all the data and save it.
>
> I have just got a new laptop that runs XP (professional). I set up rsync on
> there identically to before. From my server, I can get see that the rsync
> daemon is running because I can get it to list the modules it will serve.
>
> However as soon as I try and access any data for real I get access denied
> failures (see below for the output)
>
> roo:~# rsync rabbit.home::
> system the complete c drive
> alan Alan's specific user space
> roo:~# rsync rabbit.home::alan/
> @ERROR: access denied to alan from roo.home (192.168.0.20)
> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]
> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420)
> roo:~#
>
> One difference - the new file system is NTFS, the old one was FAT32.
>
> Ethereal on the link just has the simple exchange above, no other data
>
> Nothing is being logged (despite cygrunsrv directing stdout and stderr to a
> log file) as to what the problem might be, so I am finding it hard to debug.
> Anyone and ideas?
>
>
> --
> Alan Chandler
> http://www.chandlerfamily.org.uk
> Open Source. It's the difference between trust and antitrust.
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: John M. Gabriele <john_sips_tea@yahoo.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Tools to manipulate PDFs
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:38:44 -0800
>
> --- Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de> wrote:
>
> > Christian Christmann:
> > >
> > > are there any tools that allow one to
> > > split, merge and append PDFs?
> >
> > apt-cache show pdfjam
> >
> > Needs tetex.
> >
> > J.
> > --
>
> I like pdftk.
>
> ---John
>
>
>
>
>
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> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: John M. Gabriele <john_sips_tea@yahoo.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: wiki package recommendation
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 00:44:14 -0800
>
> --- noc ops <aptgetd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > can anyone recommend a wiki package (stable) and willing share their
> > experience.
> >
> > any pointers will be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > regards,
> > /virendra
> >
>
> I tried a few a while ago. I was looking for something fairly
> small and simple. Easy to install and use. No real db required.
>
> I found pmwiki, and have been happy with it.
>
> http://www.pmichaud.com/wiki/PmWiki/PmWiki
>
> ---John
>
>
>
>
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> ______________________________________________________________________
> From: Scott <angrykeyboarder@angrykeyboarder.com>
> To: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>, Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: unsubsrib
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:03:25 -0700
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 12 November 2005 14:35, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >
> >>Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> Y'know, I didn't see your signature and certainly don't consider
> >>Thunderbird broken. Of course it is because I installed the Quote
> >>Colors extension and have signatures hidden. I call that a
> >>preference. :P
> >
> > And its preventing you from seeing the unsubscribe instructions
> > appended to every message comeing through these servers.
>
> That's not the only place they appear in the message.....
>
> > You choice if you want to look like you just got off the bus.
>
> Um.. Naah, I'll just let that one go. I'd have waay to much fun with it.
>
> >
> > I looked at Thunderbird because a friend was raving about it. It
> > didn't impress me, but then I'm used to kmail from kde 3.3.0.
>
> > Html doodads are nothing but a PITA that quadruples the size of the message,
>
> Agreed. But in many cases I don't mind.
>
> > email should be pure text.
>
> Point me to the RFC. I'd not heard that before.
> If this were truly the case, your beloved KMail would not allow one to
> compose/read HTML emails.
>
> On a related note, I won't argue that HTML on a mailing list is a no-no,
> unless the list admin specifically states otherwise. I've seen a few
> lists that allow it but they are rather rare. I only use HTML in email
> when it's a personal email, to someone I know and whom I know can read
> them (e.g. I know they use Kmail and not Mutt).
>
> > TBird makes that difficult IMO.
>
> Not difficult at all. Quite easy, actually. The last time I looked at
> Kmail the settings were similar.
>
> > It's pretty, yes, but its usability to me is a -1.
>
> It's great by itself and downright awesome after some downloads from
> https://addons.mozilla.org
>
> >
> > And you cannot count either. I could get rid of the Openoffice blurb,
> > but the rest stays, its been there for years and you are the first to
> > complain in about 7 years now...
>
> I find this amusing coming from someone who dictates that "[all] emails
> should be pure [plain] text"
>
> You might want to take a look @ http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
> (Wow a URL pointing to a plain text file on a web site!).
>
> Allow me to quote from there:
>
> "If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer
> than 4 lines. "
>
> As a matter of fact, most NNTP servers and a number of mailing lists,
> remove anything in a sig after the 4th line.
>
> Big sigs are just downright obnoxious and there are a number of client
> programs and scripts out there that were written to remove/obscure them
> from email/usenet postings. They are really useless for the most part
> (mine included). All the information you *really* need can be found in
> the headers of the message.
>
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