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Re: debian vs ubuntu and knoppix



hi ya steve

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Nate Duehr wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Alvin Oga wrote:
> > 
> >>	- debian ... free ... 
> >>	- ubuntu ... commercialized version of debian's "hard work"
> >>		which to me is wrong to do.. but oh well..
> > 
> >     Uhhh, Alvin, you've been spreading a lot of disinformation on this list
> > lately.  I mean a LOT of disinformation.  This is a prime example.  From
> > Ubuntu's front page, emphasis mine:

just because you disagree doesn't mean you are right and i am wrong
so who is jumping on whose ass ??? .. have fun disagree-ing and flaming ..

- and ubuntu does and always have promoted themself as commercial ...
  commercial support as their primary business

- sure they have free versions, but they also have not free versions

even suse and redhat has free versions of almost the identical ocde
as what they're selling for $x,000 .. but, that doesn't make them 
opensource, free, .. etc .. whatever you wanna call it
	- or you want to argue what is opensource too :-)

	- it's called "free r/d and free qa dept"

> Ahh... people can go read it for themselves.  But Alvin's not wrong. 
> He's also not 100% right -- as is typically with these things, the issue 
> is more complex than one sentence can adequately display.  He just has a 
> slightly different viewpoint than yours.

bingo ... one person will take one view ..and others will take a different
view, given that unbuntu has more than one core business idea/entity

> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing/document_view
> 
> Some people find the Ubuntu spin-off inappropriate

yup... but there will always be different ways and different reasons
for spinoffs ... some good .. some not so good ...

 (why didn't they just 
> donate to Debian and try to get a commitment on release cycles?)

that'd be too easy ... and probably because they can't call it "their own
widget"

> Me?  I just kick back and enjoy the flamefests and trolling... 

yeah.. that's always fun to see who jumps on who .. and why ...

> if 
> there's one thing that never changes about the Net and Free Software, 
> it's that.

hasn't changed in 30 yrs ...

c ya
alvin



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