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Re: Brief Apt-Get and KDE Question

David R. Litwin wrote:

> On 14/06/05, *Roberto C. Sanchez* <roberto@familiasanchez.net
> <mailto:roberto@familiasanchez.net>> wrote:
>     On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 01:18:42AM -0400, David R. Litwin wrote:
>     > I have recently gotten KDE 3.4.1 from deb
>     > http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ which is apparently a
>     > legitimate debian site from which to get KDE. Now, after doing
>     the usual
>     > apt-get and apt-upgrade (and dist-upgrade: I wanted the latest
>     version of
>     > Sarge, but I don't think that matters here) to install it, I ran
>     apt-get
>     > update again, then apt-get upgrade. It said I had twenty-nine
>     packages to
>     > up-grade. So, I did apt-get -V upgrade and it said (for each
>     one, mind) (
>     > 3.3.2-1 => 3.4.1-1) (save only that the 3.3.2-# some times
>     changed. The
>     > number after the hyphen, that is).
>     >
>     > The question is this, then. If I execute the upgrade, will I
>     really upgrade
>     > from 3.3.2 to 3.4.1 or vice-versa, I. E. downgrade from 3.4.1 to
>     3.3.2?
>     >
>     1. Yes the Debian Alioth site is legitimate in the sense that it is
>     Debian for (primarily) Debian developers that are packaging and
>     developing for Debian.
>     2. The packages are *experimental*.  That means that you should
>     not use
>     them unless you are prepared to deal with the fallout.
> KDE 3.4.1 is not Experimental, though. If you go to kde.org
> <http://kde.org>, it says the newest version is KDE 3.4.1. Perhaps it
> has both Experimental and not?

KDE 3.4.1 is not experimental as far as the KDE.org is concerned. But
the person who is integrating it into the Debian distribution is just
now playing with it, in an Experimental branch of Debian where it won't
affect the main three branches (stable, testing, unstable). Once he has
it packaged for Debian where he's comfortable with it, it'll move to
unstable. The Experimental branch of Debian is not generally considered
as fit for human consumption.

>     3. Use aptitude (or synaptic, if you have a preference for GUI),
> So you recommend Aptitude, eh? I hear there is a rather large debate
> going round about the merrits of the one against th'other. But, what
> is this Synaptic I read of? I certainly do like GUIs. Aptitude,
> though, seems to have a GUI, no?

It is my understanding that Aptitude is the currently preferred tool for
Sarge and the future. It is a curses-based (text-based) front-end for apt.

Synaptic is an X-based front-end for apt.

Aptitude can be run as a command-line tool, or as a  (text-based) "GUI".

> apt-cache policy kdelibs4
> kdelibs4:
>   Installed: 4:3.4.1-1
>   Candidate: 4:3.4.1-1
>   Version Table:
>  *** 4:3.4.1-1 0
>         500 http://pkg-KDE.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages
>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>      4:3.3.2-6.1 0
>         500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages

It means that you'll be pulling in the 3.4 version of KDE from
Experimental, which might cause breakage. If you rely on your system at
all, I personally would wait until 3.4 moves to unstable (and take out
any but the official Debian repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list).

I've never known Debian apt tools to cause a downgrade. (In fact, I've
never known of Debian apt tools to allow a downgrade, without
considerable effort.)


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