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Re: [OT] Bruce Perens talks to BBC

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:42:14 -0600
"Dave's List Addy" <listonly@webpresencegroup.net> wrote:

> On 1/26/04 6:00 PM, "Paul M Foster" wrote:
> Right On Paul My sentiments exactly, I think the comedian Robin Williams has
> a bit on what America should do, I don't have it handy, but mirrors those
> thoughts.
> > 
> > Really? And you get that from this table, do you? The *worst*?
> > 
> > You know what? I think the we (the U.S.) should cut off aid entirely to
> > the rest of the world. The rest of the world has a serious habit of
> > biting the hand that feeds it. So let them fend for themselves.

The rest of the world would be extremely grateful.
The cost of American 'aid' is generally higher than the initial trauma.
> > 
> > And here are some guidelines for "living in the shadow of the United
> > States of America":
> > 
> > 1. Don't call us when you need help fending off the next power-mad
> > psycho bent on enslaving the entire planet.

This personality is your current president, ably assisted by a cabal of like personalities.
> > 
> > 2. Don't call us when you've finished erecting the full-on socialist
> > state you're busy creating in Europe, and you don't like the results.

I'm not European, but from my objective viewpoint, they seem to be heading in the right direction. Why don't you just get your totally unnecessary military bases out of there. You only went in to Yugoslavia because after the russian withdrawal from east Germany, there was no more justification to stay on in west Germany (although, I note you are still there), to maintain a military base on the european continent.
> > 
> > 3. Don't come here to escape your crushing taxes.

Imposed as a necessity to pay off the exhorbitant cost of American 'aid.'
> > 
> > 4. Don't come here to avoid your crappy socialized health care > >system.

The only westernized nation that spends less on health care/capita than the U.S. is Turkey.
> > 
> > 5. Don't expect sympathy when 3000 of your citizens become victims > >of
> > the next Islamist nut job with a plan, who claims he hates the U.S. > >but
> > inexplicably attacks you instead.

And where is this occuring, other than with your 'friends and allies.'
> > 
> > 6. Don't come here to find "opportunity" or "the promise of a better
> > life." That includes you, Mexico.

The "opportunity" and "the promise of a better life" are all things of the past in America. It's true that the U.S. have taken in many from other cultures, it's also true that it is also the standout hotbed of racism in the world today. There are reasons for that, other than the insular, parochial educational and political formats imposed on your population, and obvious in your limited viewpoint. Your national baseball competition is termed the 'World Series.' When I visit your country, my visa is stamped with the word 'alien' as if I am not of the same species, perhaps not even from the same planet. If you look around, you will observe many other symptoms of the disease, but this will not slow you down in your headlong flight into lunacy.

A U.S. open source advocate that spent some time overseas recently, returned to the states and noted in his writing that it was fashionable to hate America throughout the world at the moment. It's not fashion, it is more substantial than that. But clowns like you that read and believe every word in your tame press will not even pause to consider why this might be. Why an ever accelerating number of world citizens, ordinary everyday people, are rapidly taking up this perception. In the not too distant future, the U.S. is going to be the last bastion of human existence in a world totally populated otherwise by terrorists, and still you will refuse to consider that you are going in the wrong direction. All your pathetic faith placed in personalities like Bush and Cheney, once and still executive figures with Enron and Haliburton, prime examples in the history of corporate corruption, and still not brought to trial.
I note that Haliburton recently finished its' allocated contract in the restoration of Iraqi oil reserves. Jobs for the boys.
I note also, in passing, that Iraq possessed 25% of the worlds' oil reserves. I employ the past tense because it doesn't anymore, does it?
> > 
> > 7. Don't expect our help in creating an economy or a society that
> > actually works. Our founding documents are all on the internet for 
> >you to peruse. That's how we did it and how we do it.

Advertised, but not adhered to. Franklins' America doesn't exist anymore.
> > 
> > 8. Don't expect to benefit from any technological advances created 
> >in the U.S., including new life-saving drugs.

Derived from global forests that are being mown down at a phenomenal rate by American timber interests, given the nod by American backed South American dictators trained in the school of the americas in Georgia, U.S.A. The potential for new, life-saving drugs is being destroyed faster than the current species extinction rate.
> > 
> > 9. Don't call us.

Well, we are still trying to, the lights are on, but no one appears to be home.
> > 
> > Yeah, the U.S. really sucks. And we love hearing it over and over 
> >again from people who are cut off from the fruits of observation,

Not really, we are the ones with the subjective experience and the
objective viewpoint not tied to a tame media.

> > and are
> > really incapable of doing anything but whining.

We are capable of a lot more than that, but whining will suffice for now.

> > Or who really just have
> > a socialist or communist agenda.

This is fifties McCarthyism, an American invention.
> > 
> > Paul

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