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Mainframe & thin-client (was Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn)

On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:14, cr wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:13:01PM +0000, Pigeon wrote:
> > > Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo
> > > C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did
> > > too.
> >
> > I remember c:\dos\edit.com fondly as well, probably the best text
> > editor to ever come out of MS.  Still doesn't hold a flame to emacs,
> > but hey, it's Microsoft we're talking about here, so what do you expect?
> Well, I discovered Edit when our department got a IBM  PC with a dot-matrix 
> printer.   At that time we engineers had to write specifications on a 
> mainframe terminal in some 'scripting' language, send them off to some queue, 
> phone up Accounts (who owned the mainframe) and beg them nicely to run some 
> compiler on it and send it to the Print queue, then phone up Printing and 
> tell them it was ours.   If we were lucky, next day, we'd get the result and 
> (if we'd made no mistakes in our scripting!) it would be readable.   If not...
> Nobody told me about Edit, I found it by accident.   But as soon as I saw it 
> I recognised The Future.   Or, Freedom.   I printed off one page to prove to 
> myself that it would work, went to the mainframe terminal, logged in, typed 
> "Change Password", shut my eyes and typed in random letters, locking myself 
> out of the detested mainframe forever.    :)
> Does anyone wonder why I hate Thin Clients...?   ;)

I hate to use such strong words, but to compare the centralized 
control of resources that existed on *old* mainframes with the
centralized control of resources on a thin-client/fat-server and 
find any but the most basic similarities is verging on delusion.

After all, it's no more difficult to have a printer sitting on your
desk, or down the hall with a TC/FS network-based system as it is 
when you have stand-alone or fat-client/thin-server system.  And
you're still running all the same apps, no matter what.

Ron Johnson, Jr. ron.l.johnson@cox.net
Jefferson, LA USA

Causation does NOT equal correlation !!!!!!!!

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