Re: What do I have to have installed ?
Benjamin Swatek wrote:
Well, hi everybody,
as I keep getting ./configure errors
More detail needed here.
I'd like to know what you guys 'n'
girls think that anyone has to have installed on his/her debian-system.
As much or as little as you, the system administrator, think you need
installed. Some people just need a bare minimum to be an ntp time
server; others need the works (kitchen sink included). Your question is
more or less meaningless, because different purposes require different
setups.
Yeah, I'm still a newbie and have to recognize I don't have no idea.
So, it depends on whether your setting up your box as a dedicated
server, or as a desktop workstation for a person's everyday computer
use, or what. Assuming you're going for the everyday desktop
workstation, you'll want the basic install, plus X, plus some sort of
window manager (icewm, wmaker) and/or desktop environment (KDE, Gnome),
and a fair spattering of applications (xmms, xine, OpenOffice.org,
Mozilla/Galeon, cd burning software, vncserver & vncviewer, compilers,
network utilities, etc etc etc). But again, you may not need all of
these (no need for burning software if you don't have a cd burner; no
need for vnc if you're not going to be attached in any way to a
network); only you can determine what you need to have installed.
My recommendation, particularly if you're on a fast network, is to
install just what you think you might want right now; then in a week or
two, you can add that new goody you've heard about; then next month you
can install that other new goody, etc.
I'm running on a TiBook III and followed the advices on the famous
cattelgrid-page, sorry I forgot the authors name, only that I didn't
realy do the network-install from the other ibook-page but installed
from the first woody-cd and then, when, I think, debconf comes up for
the first time I told it to use the http-sources instead of more cds and
changed "stable" to "testing".
As long as you got it installed. Great.
I'm not sure if this was before or after tasksel came up, but I'm sure I
did run it afterwards. I can't remember exactly what I choosed, but from
the first part I choosed all except the scientific-stuff, form
programming I choosed C, although I don't intend to become a C
programmer.
If you have enough drive space, that's fine. You can always browser
later via aptitude or dselect to add/remove programs.
Furthermore I choosed ftp-server,to be able to interchange
files, don't know if this was necesary,
Umm, probably not a good idea unless you know you need it. It'd be
better to remove ftp-server, and instead install ssh, and run the
daemon. Then you can use sftp for interchange of files, which works like
ftp, but is more secure.
and later installed
openoffice.org, apache,java, php and mysql.
OpenOffice.org - good if you need to do MS-Office type stuff.
Apache - do you need to run a web server? If not, uninstall it (or at
least disable it); it's a tenet of good system security to shut down any
services (such as web servers) that aren't needed.
Java - You probably want this, at least in plug-in form for your browser(s).
php - See note on Apache above.
mysql - See note on Apache above.
I'm writing this form within evolution in KDE3.1 so these I installed
aswell.
Fine. I would use evolution, except that the programmers refuse to code
around a semi-common bug in IMAP that some email servers have (my
school's included). On the one hand I agree with them; they should not
"enable" non-standard IMAP "features/bugs" by coding around them; on the
other hand, Mozilla Mail works fine, indicating that those developers
recognize the need to work around buggy implementations, and I'm glad
they did, or I wouldn't have a graphical IMAP client. (mutt apparently
works around the bug also.)
Or other things that told me the "linux cookbook" or I felt I need like
xnap or mldonkey ;-)
So to me it seems I do nearly have a complete system, but as these
./configure errors keep occuring... I'know, I should do it with apt but
it seems that's not always possible.
Again; this is way too short on details. When are these "/configure"
errors occuring? What do they say? What should you do with apt, and why
doesn't it seem to be possible?
What do I want ?
good question, I don't realy know,
Nor do we; we can only guess. Don't be afraid to experiment (unless
you're on a production machine, in which case you need to be
experimenting on a non-production machine, or at least have good backups
and be prepared to cause problems for yourself, and conceivably for
everyone else on the internet).
have a working system that does what
I want ;-) using a mac...
So basically you want to duplicate the functionality (not necessarily
the functions) of the Mac. Do NOT expect the same experience. Pretty
much any job you can do in Macintosh you can do in GNU/Linux, but it'll
often require a different mindset, different tools, etc.
Well I could have sticked to Mac OS X, but I like the free software idea
too much to let linux happen without me, so what i need my system to do
for me is: be able to process what openoffice now does for me;
Huh? I hear you saying that you need to do with OOo what you're already
doing with OOo. Err, okay.
organize
my photos,
I create a ~/MMEDIA/PIX directory, with subtrees under that in whatever
organization I want, and store my photos there. Then I use "gqview" as
my viewer. I don't spend a lot of time in Windows, but the Windows
viewers I have seen are _nasty_ compared to gqview. I'm sure there are
better tools in that world; I just haven't been exposed to them.
I'm still searching, iPhoto was cool;
Haven't played with iPhoto, so can't make comparisons/suggestions.
publish these photos on
the web, igal, with the help of some html editor, seems cool for a
start,
Yeah; last time I checked (last year) there were four or five decent
tools in the Debian repository for this sort of thing. I've used igal a
time or two.
play movies and dvd > mplayer;
I don't find mplayer in the Debian repository, so I've assumed it's
non-free in the DFSG sense, so I haven't bothered looking into it,
although I've read a lot of good comments about it. I generally use
xine, or gtv; can't see I'm particulary impressed with the state of DVD
viewing in the Free Software world, but I don't blame the Free Software
developers; I blame folks like the RIAA and the DMCA crowd, and Hollywood.
the usual www-stuff, I still
didn't find a fast-downloader,
wget? What do you mean by "fast-downloader"? One of those "open multiple
channels to the net and pull down pieces of your file(s) and reassemble
them when they get here" tools? I think I've read that Debian has a
couple of these type tools, but rather than spend more time answering a
question you may not be asking, I'll wait for more details from you.
(BTW, don't respond to me; respond to the list; I might not have
anything more to say on the topic after this posting, whereas others on
the list may have just the answer you're looking for, not to mention
that private responses don't get archived, thereby depriving the
community of any value a thread might contain.)
didn't ./configure;
Again, where? What are the messages? What are you trying to accomplish?
and yeah thats more
or less it. don't know if quake or something like this works on
linux-ppc,
You might want to move this thread to the Debian-on-PowerPC list, which
will have more experience with PPC architecture than we here at
Debian-User likely have.
would be nice but not necesary.
I don't mind reading a lot to get involved with linux or searching the
web on these hints, only my problem right now is, that I only can
connect when I'm in the university, and there I don't have so much time,
got to learn something, as I spend the nights playing with linux.
Glad you're willing to learn, and that you are putting in some time on
the process.
Sorry for make you read that much and thanks for any comment.
benjamin
ah, and if someone might point me out where I can find a DUMMY manual
for whereami or ifplugd I would be very gratefull.
ps: why is ftp-server and www-stuff blue while I write?
I dunno. You said you were writing this in evolution, and as mentioned
above, I can't use evolution, so am unfamiliar with its features. My
first guess is that evolution has a spellcheck-as-you-go feature, and it
doesn't recognize these words. Try right-clicking on them, and see if a
menu pops up offering alternate spellings or offering to add the word to
your spelling dictionary. If that's not it, I don't have a clue.
--
Kent
Reply to: