RE: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan E Norman [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:31 AM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
> Sorry for yelling, but this whole "debian is hard to install" thing
> drives me crazy. Call me an elite bastard, but I still feel if debian
> is too hard to install, you shouldn't be installing it. Mandrake et
> al exist for a reason.
> On the other hand, if debian is too staid for you, there are gentoo
> and slackware and the internet for the roll your own types.
> See, it's like this: as long as you are using linux I think that's
> great. I really don't care what color linux you are using (just like
> I don't really care what shell you use or what kind of beer you
> drink). I may get pissy if you set up some redhat server disaster and
> then ask me to maintain it, but if the money is there I'll try to
> manage it :-)
> I run debian on sparc hardware as well as i386. I've been using i386
> since I was in middle school so being expected to know things like how
> many keys are on the keyboard and what kind of video chipset I have is
> not a big shock. Apparently this freaks out a lot of people. It's a
> good thing those people never tried to get cool games running on DOS.
> The sparc stuff can get exciting; I'm about a year or two into sparc
> hardware. It has good points and bad points. You can get a lot of
> cool stuff on ebay, thus my desktop and server (both running linux).
> Some code still is a bit dodgy on sparc; some of it will never work
> due to arch-specific problems.
> I like that debian runs on several different arches; I can log into
> lorien (my i386 server) or aglarond (my ultra 60) and for the most
> part, I see no difference (except the ultra 60 kicks more ass).
> Commands are the same, file locations are the same ... it's a dream:
> one that no other *nix I've used comes close to matching.
> Sorry for the rant.
> Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me
> and I'll understand.
> -- Chinese Proverb
OK, I was trying to stay out of this but I may as well weigh in. Is the
install easy, no. However, my very first Linux install period was Debian
"potato" on a Mac G3. Now I am an x86 guy and never installed Linux before
and had SCSI drives in the Mac with OS 9 on the first hd and wanted to put
Debian on sdb (You would be surprised at the issues this causes by the way).
Aside from some funkiness with openfirmware and booting and a newbie problem
with X, I had the thing running in a day. How HARD can that be?
It amazes me sometimes how little effort people put into things these days.
This includes people who actually do support for a living. We pay an
outside company some significant money for help desk/desktop support.
Whenever they run across a problem they haven't seen before, do they
troubleshoot it at all? No. "Time to re-image your hard drive". Yeesh.
Same goes for this newsgroup. I am guilty of it at times myself, I will
admit but at times I am amazed at the simple questions that are asked over
and over. Do they not search the net at all? What would these people have
done 8-10 years ago when the Internet, newsgroups, etc. were not so readily
available. When I was doing field service, we actually had to
"troubleshoot" problems. And God forbid if you needed a new driver or such.
Then it was digging through Company BBS's or CompuServe or some other such
means. And Oh My God, no pretty Graphical web browser to navigate those,
how did we survive??? :-)