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> Subject:
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> debian-user-digest Digest                               Volume 2003 : Issue 554
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   Re: Locale?                           [ Jeff Elkins <jeffelkins@earthlink.n ]
>   RE: Where is kernel source?           [ "David Turetsky" <davidturetsky@ear ]
>   Re: k3b                               [ mtsouk@freemail.gr ]
>   Re: Certification                     [ "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@hosehead.dyn ]
>   Any way to play Canon movie files?    [ Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org. ]
>   Re: Where is kernel source?           [ Vineet Kumar <debian-user@virtual.d ]
>   Re: KDE 3? or 4?                      [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
>   Re: KDE 3? or 4?                      [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
>   Re: How to mount CDROM and CDRW?      [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
>   Re: docs via www behaviour            [ Richard Hector <rhector@paradise.ne ]
>   Re: procmail out of memory            [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
>   Re: Sid & KDE 3.1                     [ "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@hosehead.dyn ]
>   kernel-package                        [ Richard Hector <rhector@paradise.ne ]
>   Re: PCI graphics cards recommendatio  [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
>   upgrade/drive error??                 [ klaus imgrund <claus.imgrund@terra. ]
>   Re: Sid & KDE 3.1                     [ Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
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> Subject: Re: Locale?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 03:47:22 +0100
> From: Jeff Elkins <jeffelkins@earthlink.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> Thanks a bunch, Emma. That seems to have done the trick.
> 
> Jeff Elkins
> http://www.elkins.org
> 
> On Saturday 15 February 2003 5:26 am, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
> > How can I fix the default locale to be US?
> 
> I'm not sure if this is an ispell thing or a locale thing; however, this
> is how I installed locales.
> 
> modified from: http://xtrinsic.com/geek/articles/language.phtml
> (installation instructions for a search engine)
> 
> Installing locales
> You need to make sure the right locale (think language pack) is
> installed for each language you want to search. Here's a quick checklist
> that will work on debian servers. With slight modifications you can use it
> on other servers as well.
> 
>         locale -a
>         shows all installed locales. Check to see if your locale is
>         listed.
> 
>         If you get an error message saying something to the effect of
>         "command not found" when you type locale -a you need to
>         install locales.
>         apt-get install locales
> 
>         Once you've installed locales you'll need to configure them.
> 
>                 dpkg-reconfigure locales
> 
>                 select the locales you'd like to install
> 
>                 leave the default system environment as C unless you'd
>                 like to really erk your sys admin....in which case change
>                 it to some foreign language and watch the sparks fly. :)
> 
>                 when the program exits it should "Generate locales."
>                 Mine looks like this:
>                 Generating locales...
>                 en_CA.ISO-8859-1... done
>                 en_US.UTF-8... done
>                 fr_CA.ISO-8859-1... done
>                 Generation complete.
> 
>                 when you get your prompt back confirm your locales were
>                 properly built by typing: locale-gen
> 
>                 Check to see if the locale is installed with
>                 locale -a. If it's not, repeat the steps above
>                 and cross your fingers harder. You may also want to upgrade
>                 your locales as a troubleshooting technique.
> 
>         If you're running Woody + stable you should have no
>         problems. To finish installing on Sid you need to compile the locale
>         definitions file manually (for each locale). I used this:
>         localedef -v -c -i fr_CA -f UTF-8 /usr/lib/locale/fr_CA
>         (man localedef to see what all the options are)
> 
>         NOW you should have the character maps. Repeat these steps for
>         EACH language.
> 
> g'luck!
> 
> emma :)
> 
> --
> Emma Jane Hogbin
> [[ 416 417 2868 ][ www.xtrinsic.com ]]
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> 
> Subject: RE: Where is kernel source?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 03:55:37 -0500
> From: "David Turetsky" <davidturetsky@earthlink.net>
> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Turetsky [mailto:davidturetsky@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:30 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: Where is kernel source?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duncan Baynes [mailto:d_baynes@iprimus.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:16 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Where is kernel source?
> 
> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 12:03, David Turetsky wrote:
> > Iÿm looking for the debian linux kernel source
> >
> >
> >
> > Apparently itÿs not kept at /usr/src/linux
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > David
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think you'll find the source is in /usr/src it'll be a file called
> something like 'kernel-source-2.4.20.tar.bz2'
> 
> If you don't have the kernel source install you need to type 'apt-get
> install kernel-source-2.4.20' (change the version numbers to the one you
> want!!)
> 
> you need to extract this file:
> 
> ie.  'tar -jxvf kernel-source-2.4.20.tar.bz2'
> 
> this will extract the source code into a directory called (in this
> example) 'kernel-source-2.4.20'
> 
> you should then create a sym. link
> 
> ie.  'ln -s kernel-source-2.4.20 linux'
> 
> you can then change to /usr/src/linux and compile your new kernel!
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Duncan
> 
> Excellent. Thanks. I stopped just short of compiling the new kernel
> (perhaps another day). I needed this to accommodate the installation of
> an 'el cheapo' winmodem driver supported under linux
> 
> --
> David
> 
> Hmmmm! Ignorance is bliss. I guess I AM recompiling the kernel
> 
> Oh, well! Let the adventure begin!
> 
> --
> David
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: k3b
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:02:07 +0200 (EET)
> From: mtsouk@freemail.gr
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 mtsouk@freemail.gr wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:52:14 +0200 (EET)
> > From: mtsouk@freemail.gr
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: k3b
> >
> > I heard that k3b is a great CD-copy software.
> > I cannot setup it succesfully though.
> >
> > mtsouk@debian:~/code/tex/ekefe$ less /var/log/dmesg  | grep -i SCSI
> > SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
> > scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.4
> >         <Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter>
> >         aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs
> >   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > (scsi0:A:1): 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 7)
> >   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > (scsi0:A:3): 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15)
> > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
> > Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
> > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> > sr1: scsi-1 drive
> > mtsouk@debian:~/code/tex/ekefe$
> >
> > It recognises my IDE DVD-ROM (I can select it) but I cannot setup my two
> > SCSI cdroms (one of them is my CDRW).
> >
> > Have you got any idea of what might be wrong?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Mihalis.
> >
> > -----
> > :wq
> 
> Finally, I found out that it was my fault.
> I have forgotten to include into the kernel SCSI support (or something
> like that). I am compiling the kernel now.
> 
> have a nice weekend,
> Mihalis.
> 
> -----
> :wq
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: Certification
> Date: 15 Feb 2003 04:17:23 -0500
> From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@hosehead.dyndns.org>
> To: debuser <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 02:49, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 11:18:21PM -0800, Barry deFreese wrote:
> > > We're not talking about reality here, we're talking about corporate
> > > America! :-)  I agree that certification doesn't necessarily keep you up
> > > to date in reality, but it looks that way on paper, which unfortunately
> > > too many people rely on.  As with most things, it's all about perception...
> >
> > Yeah, but why would I want to work for a company that doesn't care who
> > I am or what I know as long as I've been suckered into spending about
> > what I think is a reasonable price for a car for a "magic" piece of
> > paper?  Isn't there a fairy tale about this?  Didn't the hero get
> > crushed by a giant?
> 
> Reminds me of the guy I worked with that took a Bachelor's degree from
> the University of Waterloo through correspondence while he was working
> in the IS division of the company. I was one of the few that actually
> looked at the degree certificate in his office - most people assumed
> "works with computers, University of Waterloo - must be a B.Math in
> Computer Science." It was a BA in Psychology. Definitely in those days,
> anyone that went to UW (such as myself) looked upon the Arts Faculty
> existing as a source for easy electives for those in other faculties,
> and we had *no* internal respect for the university's BAs.
> 
> Fact is, unless you know what the certificate involves in obtaining it,
> you have no reason to extend any expectations of the holder relative to
> anyone else, but while even most competent HR departments understand
> that, the various managers and the bean counters in the operating
> departments don't clue into that :(
> 
> Just look at the alphabet soup I put after my name - works well at
> getting my foot in doors for consulting contracts, but how many know
> what any of those actually mean? Guess which one means that I know how
> to tie a necktie ;)
> --
> Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP
> ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting
> Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935
> Email: kahnt@hosehead.dyndns.org
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> Subject: Any way to play Canon movie files?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:33:35 +0000
> From: Anthony Campbell <ac@acampbell.org.uk>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> I tried to use xmovie to play a movie file made with the Canon Powershot
> A40, which is in .AVI format. It wasn't recognized, and trying to convert
> it to a different format doesn't work either.
> 
> Is there any way of playing these files in Linux?
> 
> AC
> --
> ac@acampbell.org.uk    ||  http://www.acampbell.org.uk
> using Linux GNU/Debian ||  for book reviews, electronic
> Windows-free zone      ||  books and skeptical articles
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> 
> Subject: Re: Where is kernel source?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:30:29 -0800
> From: Vineet Kumar <debian-user@virtual.doorstop.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> * David Turetsky (davidturetsky@earthlink.net) [030215 01:14]:
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Turetsky [mailto:davidturetsky@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:30 AM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: RE: Where is kernel source?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Duncan Baynes [mailto:d_baynes@iprimus.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:16 PM
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: Where is kernel source?
> 
> Please, can you set your mailer to indent messages to which you reply?
> This is utter nonsense.  It's impossible to make any sense of these
> threads.  If reconfiguring your mailer (or better, switching to a new
> mailer) is impossible, I'd suggest that you not include any of the
> original text you reply to, since you're not quoting it in any
> meaningful way.
> 
> good times,
> Vineet
> --
> http://www.doorstop.net/
> --
> "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The
> latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
> hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
> -- Albert Einstein
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> Subject: Re: KDE 3? or 4?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:45:53 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 02:05:37PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
> > As for the missing packages (kdenetwork and kdepim, I think), they
> > should appear in the archives in the next few days.  You'll also need to
> > remove libfam0 and anything depending on it before you can install the
> > new KDE.
> 
> I thought that was specific to the unofficial versions, which all warn
> you in big letters that it is NOT the KDE going into unstable.  If
> everything new conflicts with libfam0, I'd think the maintainers would
> set that in the appropriate packages.
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
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> Subject: Re: KDE 3? or 4?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:42:45 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:53:02AM -0700, Bill Webster wrote:
> > I am having a problem and I am wondering if someone out there is having
> > the same problem or can explain what is going on.
> >
> > My laptop was running KDE3 from unstable.
> 
> You couldn't be, since KDE2.2 is still in unstable, though broken,
> right now.
> 
> > About 3 days ago I did an upgrade that upgraded it to what appears
> > to be a partial upgrade to version 4.
> 
> This is why you need to review what a dist-upgrade is going to do.  If
> you see a large number of packages being removed, do not upgrade.  You
> can either try to downgrade to testing or wait it out until KDE3 is
> fully merged in with sid.  Your KDE is now a mix of 3.1 and 2.2, with
> a *lot* of missing packages.  Good luck.
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
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> Subject: Re: How to mount CDROM and CDRW?
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:51:11 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:09:05PM -0300, Carlos Jiménez wrote:
> > I just installed Debian woody and i've had problems to mount the CDROM (hdb)
> > and the CDRW (hdd). In the fstab file appears the following:
> > /dev/cdrom      /cdrom          iso9660 ro,user,noauto          0       0
> 
> OK, that looks almost right.  /dev/cdrom needs to be a symlink to the
> correct drive, or better yet, replace /dev/cdrom with the *real*
> device.
> 
> > Does it mean that CDROM is mounted?
> 
> No, but it does mean that a user can go mount it themselves with
> "mount /cdrom".  To see what's mounted, df will show you including how
> much space is used on each device mounted, and mount by itself will
> tell you plus each device's status and options.
> 
> > Shouldn't the mount point be in /mnt/?
> 
> Debian is not Red Hat.
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
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> Subject: Re: docs via www behaviour
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:58:49 +1300
> From: Richard Hector <rhector@paradise.net.nz>
> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 01:45:03AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 06:00:20PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've just discovered something interesting - when I view docs for
> > > my installed packages via apache, there are some files I don't see.
> > >
> > > I _think_, this is because apache treats files starting with
> > > "README" specially.
> > >
> > > Is the appropriate solution to turn this behaviour off in apache,
> > > or would it be better for package maintainers not to put such
> > > files in the doc directory?
> >
> > Here's the Apache config line responsible:
> >
> >   IndexIgnore .??* *~ *# HEADER* README.* RCS CVS *,v *,t
> 
> Thanks for that; done.
> 
> That's half of it. My thinking is though, if this is a standard
> assumption for a webserver configuration, and the doc directory
> is intended to be viewed like that, perhaps README is a bad name
> for things to be given?
> 
> On the other hand, perhaps it's a bad assumption for a webserver to
> make, except when done intentionally for a specific purpose.
> 
> I don't know if either is worthy of even a wishlist bug - but it
> had me stuck, and assuming that various other packages had
> inadequate documentation, simply because I couldn't find it.
> 
> Richard
> 
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> 
> Subject: Re: procmail out of memory
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:01:35 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:29:10PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > anyone seen this before?  i just got a blank message at the top of my
> > inbox, dated Jan 01 (that's all -- no headers, no nothing), and
> > checking the procmail logs, i see:
> >
> > Out of memory!
> > Callback called exit.
> > END failed--call queue aborted at /usr/bin/spamassassin line 50.
> 
> Procmail's pretty conservative.  It doesn't look like procmail was the
> one that died, since you're seeing procmail's output.  You get an
> email, your MTA hands it off to procmail, procmail runs it through
> spamassassin, which then loses the war and takes your email down with
> it, procmail sees what happens and mails you to let you know something
> bad happened.
> 
> However, it's pretty obvious that you either were doing too much at
> one time that the machine couldn't swap out and you don't have enough
> physical RAM, or your swap space is undersized (rare).  RAM is dirt
> cheap these days; the most expensive RAM I can find in the local ads
> is a Kingston 512MB PC2700 DDR for $74.99; I make security gaurd wages
> and even I was able to buy more RAM than my computer five years ago
> had hard drive space...
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
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> Subject: Re: Sid & KDE 3.1
> Date: 15 Feb 2003 05:23:07 -0500
> From: "Mark L. Kahnt" <kahnt@hosehead.dyndns.org>
> To: debuser <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 19:39, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 04:30:44PM +0100, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> > > Has there been any word on when Sid will have KDE 3.1?
> >
> > RSN.  Some of the dependancies are filtering in already.  I think at
> > this point if you want it faster, grab a compiler and start building
> > it yourself.
> 
> As your message was being sent, I was logging into a fresh upgrade to
> KDE 3.1 from Sid. Some things are missing at present - apparently kmail,
> korn and knode aren't available yet, but otherwise, it looks like the
> preponderance is there now - definitely more than enough for me to use
> it viably with better stability than I'd experienced with KDE 2.2
> 
> I still *personally* prefer the Gnome look and feel, but the seg faults
> I got with a couple of applications that I was just looking at *trying*
> appear to be long gone. Essentially, while I haven't *fully* stress
> tested KDE 3.1 from Sid, it does seem steady so far.
> --
> Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP
> ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting
> Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935
> Email: kahnt@hosehead.dyndns.org
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> Subject: kernel-package
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:39:37 +1300
> From: Richard Hector <rhector@paradise.net.nz>
> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> I haven't found this in the docs - does make-kpkg create a new initrd
> image for me, or do the package scripts do that as part of the install
> process, or do I need to do it myself (presumably after installing the
> kernel package and before rebooting)?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
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> 
> Subject: Re: PCI graphics cards recommendations
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 02:42:50 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: Debian User Listie <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> A. Because it's backwards.
> 
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 04:44:15PM +1300, Haralambos Geortgilakis wrote:
> > I killed the motherboard (FIC 503, *sobs*), with a 7200 rpm kooler
> > plugged into it & not directly to the power supply. Doh!
> 
> Aww, you're going about it all wrong!  Just go straight to water
> cooling if you want to overclock.  It's cheap enough and even a shitty
> water heatsink rig will kick the crap out of the best air heatsink.
> 
> Q. Why is top posting bad?
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
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> Subject: upgrade/drive error??
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:15:03 -0200
> From: klaus imgrund <claus.imgrund@terra.com.br>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> 
> Hello,
> 
> got a little problem here.I did a upgrade yesterday - tried anyway - on
> a machine that is running unstable and wasn't updated for about 6
> weeks.
> I didn't look too close at the stuff thats going to be upgraded and did
> anticipate errors with kde and the likes but what I got now is strange.
> With synaptic kdelibs3 is shown as a broken package but I can't fix it
> from there.Shows some dependency problems with ark and kwrite and so
> on.
> If I try to purge those packages dpkg can't find them.
> When I try dselect and tell it to install the selected packages it goes
> ahead and tries to remove ark and a couple of other things but then I
> get an error message that looks like a drive failure:
> 
> I/O error dev 3:05 (hda) sector 288334
> hda:dma_intr:status=0x51 DriveReadySeekCompleteError
> hda:dma_intr:error=0x01 AddrMarkNotFound LBAsect=25551126 sector28833
> 
> and some more of this.
> 
> I use an ext3 file system and there is nothing in lost and found and a
> fsck doesn't show any errors at all.
> 
> Anybody got an idea how to fix this or is it reinstalling time already?
> 
> greets,
> Klaus
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: Sid & KDE 3.1
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 03:08:13 -0800
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debuser <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> 
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 05:23:07AM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> > As your message was being sent, I was logging into a fresh upgrade to
> > KDE 3.1 from Sid. Some things are missing at present - apparently kmail,
> > korn and knode aren't available yet, but otherwise, it looks like the
> > preponderance is there now - definitely more than enough for me to use
> > it viably with better stability than I'd experienced with KDE 2.2
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/kde.html
> I'm holding out for things to get fixed.
> 
> > I still *personally* prefer the Gnome look and feel, but the seg faults
> > I got with a couple of applications that I was just looking at *trying*
> > appear to be long gone. Essentially, while I haven't *fully* stress
> > tested KDE 3.1 from Sid, it does seem steady so far.
> 
> I gave up on Gnome when I got tired of it feeling rougher around the
> edges than AfterStep, and Nautilus just giving up without good reason
> dozens of times in a row.
> 
> --
>  .''`.     Baloo <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> : :'  :    proud Debian admin and user
> `. `'`
>   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
> 
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