hi again i have finally slashed my way back to a gnome desktop. many thanks for your patient understanding. dave -- Dave Mallery, K5EN (r/h 7.2 krud; debian woody+ximian) PO Box 520 Ramah, NM 87321 no gates .~. no windows... /V\ /( )\ running GNU/Linux ^^-^^ (Linux TM Linus Torvalds) free at last! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org