Subject: No Subject Date: 15 Dec 2002 14:05:25 -0500 debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2002 : Issue 890 Today's Topics: Sendmail - Errors [ dudahhh <gabaod@yahoo.com> ] Re: OT: Politics of Java [ Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> ] [SOLVED] Re: Bootable CD w/X-CD-Roas [ Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth@ylayali ] Re: OT: functional languages (was: P [ Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> ] Re: djbdns breaking out of a chroot? [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ] Re: perl's stat and symlinks [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ] Re: Its a SPAM & Fuck You. [ "Gerald V. Livingston II" <debuser@ ] mutt: aborted unmodified message(?) [ cmustard <cmustard@nyc.rr.com> ] Re: mutt: aborted unmodified message [ Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ] Virtual packages [ R Ransbottom <rir@attbi.com> ] Re: djbdns breaking out of a chroot? [ martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org ] Re: spellchecker for mozilla-1.2.1 a [ Brian Stults <bstults@soc.ufl.edu> ] exim problem? [ Eric R Cheney <cheney@soc.umass.edu ] Re: perl's stat and symlinks [ Andrew Perrin <clists@perrin.socsci ] what memory? [ andrej hocevar <ah@siol.net> ] unsubscribe [ "Beket M. Zhapbasbay" <beket@gorodo ] lm-sensors [ Elimar Riesebieter <riesebie@lxtec. ] Re: Its a SPAM & Fuck You. [ bob parker <bob_parker@dodo.com.au> ] Re: mutt: aborted unmodified message [ cmustard@nyc.rr.com ] Re: MySQL Security Probem. Does it a [ Robert James Kaes <rjkaes@flarenet. ]
From: dudahhh <gabaod@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Sendmail - Errors Date: 15 Dec 2002 08:46:06 -0800 Ok ive setup sendmail once before, my box crashed, and here i go again. I tried using stable version, and it said couldnt find update_conf i linked it, and then itd say need to run sendmailconfig, run it, it reloads, when you try to start it, says same thing.. so it runs in a loop. So now im trying testing version, i installed it, but some reason it would make all my files just dead.letters, so then i just copied my old /etc/mail ontop of the current one, since it had worked previously. Well now it sends mails, but with an error thats bouncing them back... Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:12:04 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@divinethought.com> To: gabaod@divinethought.com Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 14 lines Text 2 Shown 353 bytes Message, "Delivery Status" 3 Shown 557 bytes Message, "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" 3.1 Shown 2 lines Text
From: Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Politics of Java Date: 15 Dec 2002 09:09:48 -0800 Eric G. Miller wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 08:46:43PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > > > Yes, but the question is, how usable is it in practice? > [snip] > > People use "tasks" in Ada on a regular basis. So, it must be usable, > neigh? By the same reasoning, concurrency support in C and C++ must be really great, because there are lots of multithreaded programs written in those languages. I've written many myself. Yet, in fact, there is no concurrency support at all in those languages. > 3 > * a call on a protected subprogram of a protected object, providing > exclusive read-write access, or concurrent read-only access to > shared data; What makes a subprogram "protected"? Is this a keyword or something that the programmer has to put in the right place, like Java's "synchronized"? > 8 > In addition, tasks can communicate indirectly by reading and > updating (unprotected) shared variables, presuming the access is > properly synchronized through some other kind of task interaction. This sounds like "thread synchronization is the programmer's problem", at least for the case of unprotected variables. This all sounds considerably more portable than C threading (which is dependent either on calling OS services directly, or using a third-party library that may not be available on all platforms, or may have licensing issues), but not necessarily all that much better. The crucial point, to me, is that for at least the most common kinds of thread communication and data sharing, it should not be necessary for the programmer to remember to do anything extra (like mark functions or variables with a special thread-safety keyword). Erlang meets this requirement in spades; I don't know of another language that does. Craig
From: Kenneth Dombrowski <kenneth@ylayali.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: [SOLVED] Re: Bootable CD w/X-CD-Roast: mkisofs error Date: 15 Dec 2002 12:09:47 -0500 Donald R. Spoon wrote: > I went through this a couple of weeks ago, and finally the light-bulb > came on. ALL of the extra work needed to make a CD "bootable" is done > during the creation of the ISO image. Once you have that, then the > burining process is exactly the same for either "bootable" or > "non-bootable". So.... if you have a "bootable" ISO image already, all > you need to do is burn it! I wasted a lot of time and blank CDRs on > that before I got hit with the clue-bat. > > Cheers, > -Don Spoon- > Thanks, Don, Carlos & Alvin. I stopped trying so hard & it dawned on me the next day. I was almost there when I tried to mount the .iso for the boot.img, but I was still pointing to the .iso for the filesystem. Instead I pointed xcdroast at /cdrom (where the .iso was mounted) & told it to translate the "/cdrom/" part of the path to "/". I specified the boot.img relative to that directory ("KNOPPIX/boot.img") & left the default for boot.catalog.. and it worked After Don's message, I'm not 100% sure I needed to go through the trouble, but I've already wasted too many CD-Rs to feel like experimenting -- kenneth
From: Craig Dickson <crdic@pacbell.net> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: OT: functional languages (was: Politics of Java) Date: 15 Dec 2002 09:16:43 -0800 Colin Watson wrote: > You can pass function pointers around in C happily enough. I appreciate > it's less theoretically elegant than having functions as first-class > citizens, and that it doesn't allow as much compile-time checking, but > does it really limit you? Yes, it does. C function pointers are just pointers to code; there is no associated environment, no lexical scoping of variables, etc. This is critical to the concept of a functional language (and the lack of lexical scoping is one of the major reasons why traditional Lisp cannot be considered an FPL). Craig
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: djbdns breaking out of a chroot? Date: 15 Dec 2002 17:22:45 +0000 On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 05:24:06PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com> [2002.12.15.0936 +0100]: > > IIRC, recent (current?) Linux Magazine has an article on chroot jails. > > It includes a number of ways in which they can be broken out of, though > > most of these require root access within the chroot itself. > > i know about chroots and all the ways to break out of them. i wonder > why djbdns tries to break out of one. Accidental chdir("..")? -- Colin Watson [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: perl's stat and symlinks Date: 15 Dec 2002 17:23:32 +0000 On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 05:31:15PM +0100, Michael Naumann wrote: > when I do from perl > @f = stat "f"; > @sl2f = stat "sl2f"; > I always get the same contents in @sl2f as in @f, i.e stat follows the link. > Thus I cannot decide via stat, > whether the file in question is a symlink or a not. Use lstat(). Cheers, -- Colin Watson [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
From: Gerald V. Livingston II <debuser@sysmatrix.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Its a SPAM & Fuck You. Date: 15 Dec 2002 11:36:05 -0600 Robert L. Harris said: > But atleast it's not the Nigerian spam so he gets 2 points for > originality. Obviously not IQ points though. I'm still trying to figure out just what the purpose of the Nigerian spam is. It's started changing countries a bit lately. I replied to one of those from a junk email address last year sometime. Actually had a conversation (of sorts) going for a week or so. Never quite got to the pitch where they asked for my money for anything though. Probably because I insisted I was a "cash only" proponent and had no active bank account or credit cards. G -- Gerald http://www.phorce1.com http://www.buskatiers.org
From: cmustard <cmustard@nyc.rr.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: mutt: aborted unmodified message(?) Date: 15 Dec 2002 12:38:25 -0500 Why is mutt giving this error. It has been working fine, now, all of the sudden when i try to reply (r) to a message i get the above error. TIA -mUs
From: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: mutt: aborted unmodified message(?) Date: 15 Dec 2002 17:39:49 +0000 On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:38:25PM -0500, cmustard wrote: > Why is mutt giving this error. It has been working fine, now, all of > the sudden when i try to reply (r) to a message i get the above error. I suspect your $EDITOR is broken. -- Colin Watson [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk]
From: R Ransbottom <rir@attbi.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Virtual packages Date: 15 Dec 2002 13:04:44 -0500 Lately I've been using apt. Using dselect to pull stuff off the net. How might I browse for virtual packages and their real counterparts? The thought of installing javascruft ^H^H^H^Hipt and such for browsers lead to this query. -- rir Live the dream.
From: martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: djbdns breaking out of a chroot? Date: 15 Dec 2002 18:56:45 +0100 also sprach Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> [2002.12.15.1822 +0100]: > > i know about chroots and all the ways to break out of them. i wonder > > why djbdns tries to break out of one. > > Accidental chdir("..")? possible. so djb isn't the coolest after all?? -- Please do not CC me! Mutt (www.mutt.org) can handle this automatically. .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@debian.org> : :' : proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system NOTE: The public PGP keyservers are broken! Get my key here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/gpg/330c4a75.asc
From: Brian Stults <bstults@soc.ufl.edu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: spellchecker for mozilla-1.2.1 available Date: 15 Dec 2002 12:58:44 -0500 Brian Stults wrote: > I compiled an XPI for the mozilla spellchecker that works for me with > the mozilla-1.2.1-3 package. It is here: > > http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/ > > I used the source available from http://spellchecker.mozdev.org. Their > XPIs don't work with debian because they use an older version of gcc. > It looks like the mozilla developers are subsuming this code, so it > should make its way into the mozilla source tree pretty soon. > I should have mentioned that you need to install this from mozilla as root. -- Brian J. Stults Department of Sociology phone: (352) 392-0265 x286 University of Florida fax: (352) 392-6568 Gainesville, Florida 32611-7330 pgp: http://clas.ufl.edu/~bstults/bstults.gpg
From: Eric R Cheney <cheney@soc.umass.edu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: exim problem? Date: 15 Dec 2002 12:58:36 -0500 Hello. I have exim set up at home. Problem is that I can't e-mail directly to my box from a host external to the network. I can fetch mail using fetchmail from outside the network, but that's it. When I try to e-mail from an external host to the box, I eventually get a message saying "failed MX lookup". I can get other network trafic through though, such as ftp and http. I have a dsl/router that forwards stuff to the box I want it to....I have it forwarding port 25 stuff to the box I can't e-mail to. Any ideas what is wrong? -- Eric Cheney cheney@soc.umass.edu
From: Andrew Perrin <clists@perrin.socsci.unc.edu> To: Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: perl's stat and symlinks Date: 15 Dec 2002 13:01:43 -0500 On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 05:31:15PM +0100, Michael Naumann wrote: > > when I do from perl > > @f = stat "f"; > > @sl2f = stat "sl2f"; > > I always get the same contents in @sl2f as in @f, i.e stat follows the link. > > Thus I cannot decide via stat, > > whether the file in question is a symlink or a not. > > Use lstat(). > Alternatively, use the file test operators. From man perlfunc: -X FILEHANDLE -X EXPR -X A file test, where X is one of the letters listed below. This unary operator takes one argument, either a filename or a filehandle, and tests the associated file to see if something is true about it. If the argument is omitted, tests "$_", except for "-t", which tests STDIN. Unless other wise documented, it returns "1" for true and "''" for false, or the undefined value if the file doesn't exist. Despite the funny names, prece dence is the same as any other named unary opera tor, and the argument may be parenthesized like any other unary operator. The operator may be any of: -r File is readable by effective uid/gid. -w File is writable by effective uid/gid. -x File is executable by effective uid/gid. -o File is owned by effective uid. -R File is readable by real uid/gid. -W File is writable by real uid/gid. -X File is executable by real uid/gid. -O File is owned by real uid. -e File exists. -z File has zero size (is empty). -s File has nonzero size (returns size in bytes). -f File is a plain file. -d File is a directory. -l File is a symbolic link. -p File is a named pipe (FIFO), or Filehandle is a pipe. -S File is a socket. -b File is a block special file. -c File is a character special file. -t Filehandle is opened to a tty. -u File has setuid bit set. -g File has setgid bit set. -k File has sticky bit set. -T File is an ASCII text file. -B File is a "binary" file (opposite of -T). -M Age of file in days when script started. -A Same for access time. -C Same for inode change time.
From: andrej hocevar <ah@siol.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: what memory? Date: 15 Dec 2002 19:08:50 -0200 Hello. I've been thinking about this: "dmesg | grep ^Mem" gives the following: Memory: 127264k/131008k available (1111k kernel code, 3360k reserved, 345k data, 256k init, 0k highmem) Now what does it all mean? How much is really available to me? "procinfo" says: Memory: Total Mem: 127520 The total is thus 127264+256 (from "init")? And what are the "init" and "reserved" zones? Thanks, andrej -- echo ${girl_name} > /etc/dumpdates
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From: Elimar Riesebieter <riesebie@lxtec.de> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: lm-sensors Date: 15 Dec 2002 19:29:49 +0100 Hi all, i just wanted to use lm-sensors to check voltages, temperatures .. 1 I installed lm-sensors, lm-sensors-source and i2c-source 2 compiled the modules 3 Did a lm-sensors detect but no LMXX was found. Only eeprom-i2c-1-50 Adapter: I2C Voodoo3/Banshee adapter Algorithm: Bit-shift algorithm eeprom-i2c-2-50 Adapter: DDC Voodoo3/Banshee adapter Algorithm: Bit-shift algorithm eeprom-i2c-2-51 Adapter: DDC Voodoo3/Banshee adapter Algorithm: Bit-shift algorithm My relevant kernel opts (2.4.20) are: # I2C support CONFIG_I2C=m CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=m CONFIG_I2C_PHILIPSPAR=m CONFIG_I2C_ELV=m CONFIG_I2C_VELLEMAN=m CONFIG_I2C_ALGOPCF=m CONFIG_I2C_ELEKTOR=m CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=m CONFIG_I2C_PROC=m CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT=m CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_EISA=y CONFIG_ISAPNP=m # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ISAPNP is not set # CONFIG_NET_ISA is not set My chipset: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M1541 (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M1541 PCI to AGP Controller (rev 04) 00:02.0 USB Controller: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] (rev c3) 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C (rev 10) 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) 00:0f.0 IDE interface: Acer Laboratories Inc. [ALi] M5229 IDE (rev c2) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 (rev 01) modprobe i2c-ali15x3 tells: i2c-ali15x3.o version 2.6.4 (20020719) i2c-ali15x3.o: Error: Can't detect ali15x3! i2c-ali15x3.o: ALI15X3 not detected, module not inserted. /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/i2c-ali15x3.o: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/i2c-ali15x3.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/i2c-ali15x3.o failed /lib/modules/2.4.20/misc/i2c-ali15x3.o: insmod i2c-ali15x3 failed What did I wrong? Thanks in advance Elimar -- Do you smell something burning or ist it me?
From: bob parker <bob_parker@dodo.com.au> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Its a SPAM & Fuck You. Date: 16 Dec 2002 05:33:12 +1100 On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:36, Gerald V. Livingston II wrote: > Robert L. Harris said: > > But atleast it's not the Nigerian spam so he gets 2 points for > > originality. Obviously not IQ points though. > > I'm still trying to figure out just what the purpose of the Nigerian > spam is. It's started changing countries a bit lately. I replied to > one of those from a junk email address last year sometime. Actually > had a conversation (of sorts) going for a week or so. Never quite got > to the pitch where they asked for my money for anything though. > Probably because I insisted I was a "cash only" proponent and had no > active bank account or credit cards. I've occasionally asked these morons for a $1500 advance to "defray my initial expenses". Never got a reply from that though. I also reply sometimes with a 1meg text attachment which just tells them over and over what they can do with their spam. Bob
From: cmustard@nyc.rr.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: cjwatson@flatline.org.uk Subject: Re: mutt: aborted unmodified message(?) Date: 15 Dec 2002 13:34:45 -0500 >On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 12:38:25PM -0500, cmustard wrote: >> Why is mutt giving this error. It has been working fine, now, all of >> the sudden when i try to reply (r) to a message i get the above error. > >I suspect your $EDITOR is broken. > >-- >Colin Watson [cjwatson@flatline.org.uk] > Cool,... you were totally right. I wonder how that happened? it was working fine it seems like my ~/.muttrc got set to default values somehow,... oh well, thanks again.
From: Robert James Kaes <rjkaes@flarenet.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: MySQL Security Probem. Does it affect Stable? Date: 15 Dec 2002 13:27:34 -0500 On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Rob Weir wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:37:23PM -0500, Robert James Kaes wrote: > > Hi, > > There was a security advisory released for MySQL and I just wanted to know > > if Woody was affected by these problems, > > The DSA (Debian Security Advisory) should tell you. Either join the > debian-security list or check security.debian.org. Thanks for the information, but I don't see any information regarding the recently discovered security problems with MySQL anywhere on the http://www.debian.org/security/ site. I don't think a DSA has been released for this package. Should I email the package maintainer for more information? -- Robert -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert James Kaes --- Flarenet Inc. --- (519) 426-3782 http://www.flarenet.com/ * Putting the Service Back in Internet Service Provider * ------------------------------------------------------------------