>Andy initially wrote: >So I did this command: grep -r cardmgr /var/log |less >and can't find that message that scrolls by on bootup. >Then dave mallery wrote: > less /var/log/dmesg It is not in there. I just checked again for the umpteeth time. Allow me to ask an even more basic question please: Is EVERY single message/text that scrolls by during boot up logged into /var/log/dmesg ??? If so ... then I am seeing things....