I can configure extra session types via KDE controll centre. They then come up on the KDM graphical menu for login. On red hat I then modified /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession and added a line for my newly installed window manager .... saying if session is fluxbox, call fluxbox etc HOWEVER I cant figure it for debian ?? any ideas where the debian script is ? /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession in debian doesnt make any sense to me !! many thanks dave