debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2002 :
Issue 304
Today's Topics:
Re: Gvim [ Torrin <torrin@torrin.dyndns.org> ]
Re: Gvim [ iain d broadfoot
<ibroadfo@cis.stra ]
RE: Corporate Anti-virus solutions [ "Joyce, Matthew"
<MJoyce@ccia.org.a ]
MXXS Problems [ lameth <lameth@comcast.net> ]
How do I prevent DHCP'd interfaces f [ "Joe Emenaker" <joe@emenaker.com> ]
Re: Spurious interrupt... [ Derrick 'dman' Hudson
<dman@dman.dd ]
Re: Spurious interrupt... [ Alvin Oga
<aoga@Maggie.Linux-Consul ]
Re: Install w/ floppy not working on [ Kent West <westk@acu.edu> ]
Re: Install w/ floppy not working on [ Kent West <westk@acu.edu> ]
RE: Install w/ floppy not working on [ "Joyce, Matthew"
<MJoyce@ccia.org.a ]
Need help installing network driver [ Andris Kalnozols
<andris@hpl.hp.com ]
Re: Shoutcast - passwords [ David Cureton
<david.cureton@catapu ]
Re: Need help installing network dri [ "Donald R. Spoon"
<dspoon@astcomm.n ]
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:50:23 -0800
From: Torrin <torrin@torrin.dyndns.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Gvim
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$ apt-get install vim-gtk
That should do the trick.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:47:24PM +1100, Russell wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been using console-mode vim, but i've heard of a
> gui gvim. Is there any debian packages for it? I can't
> find any. I just want more control over X colour resources.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:45:08 +0000
From: iain d broadfoot <ibroadfo@cis.strath.ac.uk>
To: Russell <rjshaw@iprimus.com.au>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Gvim
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Russell wrote:
Hi all,
I've been using console-mode vim, but i've heard of a
gui gvim. Is there any debian packages for it? I can't
find any. I just want more control over X colour resources.
apt-get install vim-gtk
iain
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:53:12 +1100
From: "Joyce, Matthew" <MJoyce@ccia.org.au>
To: "'nate'" <debian-user@aphroland.org>,
debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Corporate Anti-virus solutions
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I have used sophos a lot in the past, I was not aware of a linux client
though.
I found it was a particularly fast av scanner when use to scan many small
files , such as on an email filtering box, like Mimesweeper. But I did not
like the update methods. Basically wget iirc.
As for Nortons/Symantec, I have to say I do recommend it for large MS based
enterprises, the deployment is a doddle, I have pushed out 1000s of clients
over a night time.
The tree like/cascading configuration for the update servers is also very
good, especially over slow wan links.
Cross platform, I can only say it was good for win98/NT/win2k and Netware,
not so hot for command line, good integration with outlook and Exchange.
Dreadful/non-existant deploy/management for Macs.
AV products are as much to do with upkeep and management as they are
catching virues.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: nate [mailto:debian-user@aphroland.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:18 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Corporate Anti-virus solutions
Curtis Vaughan said:
> One year ago, our organization was totally MS. So, for our corporate
> anti-virus product we have been using Norton Anti-virus corporate
> addition.
>
> Now, our organization is 50/50 linux/ MS. Norton anti-virus is not
> available for linux, so I'm wondering what other options there may be
> for a corporate environment, which option is recommended by some of
> you out there!
>
> Personally, I would like one that would also work with our mail
> servers (1 exchange server, 1 postfix server).
>
> Currently, all linux machines use clamav, btw. Maybe this is good
> enough?
I can't reccomend sophos enough. I've always hated symantec. I don't know
what it is about them that drives chills down my spine but I just can't
stand them.
Sophos is great because they support a diverse selection of platforms,
provide incremental(e.g. 10kb or so) updates, their upgrades are just plain
files, no "smart update" with binary patches to the virus defs like some
other vendors do, so updates are easy to deploy(extract the files..). for
Win32 they have an auto upgrade thing if you have a Win32 server you can
make a "server" install and install the client "versions" on the clients and
have them check for updates ever so often(default is every 10 minutes). When
an update is detected it removes & reinstalls the product automatically(with
or without user interaction depending on your preferences). It allows the
user to postpone an update if they are doing something(again you can
ovveride this as the admin). You can do a "remote" install without being on
the user's system(win2000 computers need the "remote registry editor"
service or whatever its called enabled for it to work). The software will
automatically disable itself after 3 months of no upgrades forcing users to
upgrade, which I think is good, old AV software is a false sense of
security(it will also send a big warning if you try to run it after 3
months, after 1 month it warns you to upgrade saying you have 2 months until
the software stops working or something). I came up with a quick script to
update the server nightly and then the clients would update automatically
each night. worked quite well.
Unix side is even easier, no software to maintain, just use the normal tools
to copy the updated files around(no daemons to restart or anything).
Upgrading the package itself, just copy the files over and run the installer
script(its non interactive so can be run automatically if you wish).
upgrades are available from their website, and they send you a CD each
month. One of the best features is the license, they allow employees of a
company full and unrestricted use of the software on their home computers.
So I put up a website where employees could download the software and use at
home if they wanted. Even freebsd/solaris/linux versions.
the win32 server-client version also has a "admin tool" where you can check
the status of the workstations and servers to see what versions are
installed, what updates are installed, and the status of the
software(running/disabled/etc).
the only real downside is the auto-upgrade for win32 upgrades the whole
installation rather then just a incremental update. This uses a lot of
bandwidth, on a LAN its not an issue for me, but dialup users and stuff can
be caught waiting for a while while it downloads(*) :)
their sales staff is quite knowledgable, and as another added bonus they
have sworn(more or less) to NOT co-operate with the FBI in "not detecting"
the FBI's trojans. Symantec (& I think Mcafee) said at one point they would
not detect the FBI's trojans(I think they later changed their views so that
they would though). Being a UK company Sophos doesn't have as much incentive
to support the FBI. Sophos turned me onto amavis back in 2000, and they do
have people that monitor the amavis mailing list(perhaps other lists too).
The product is quite good, well supported under linux.
The price is not bad either, compared to Mcafee at least. I think when I
re-purchased it earlier this year for, 50 users I think, for their full
blown package(server+client), it was about 60% cheaper then Symantec(on the
desktop) and Sophos(on the mail server) was a year earlier(part of that was
major downsizing so we didn't have a need for as many licenses).
(*) you could come up with your own method to upgrade incrementally if you
wanted I am certain of it, the auto upgrader does not distinguish between
incremental upgrades and version upgrades, everything is considered a
version upgrade. This could be advantageous incase somehow the software got
trojaned, having a new installation may be "cleaner" in some cases.
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:58:06 -0500
From: lameth <lameth@comcast.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: MXXS Problems
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I can't play any audio cd's in XMMS. When I click the play button a window
opens displaying my home directory, when I change to the /cdrom/ directory
no files are listed. I've checked etc/fstab and I do have a listing for my
cdrom drive;
<file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro, user, noauto 0
0
When I issue the command mount /cdrom I get this response
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on dev/cdrom, or to many
mounted file systems.
When I issue the command umount /cdrom I get this response
umount: /cdrom is not mounted (according to mtab)
The contents of mtab are;
/dev/hda2 / ext3 rw, errors=remount-ro 0 0
proc /proc proc rw 0 0
devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0
/dev/hda4 /home ext3 rw 0 0
/proc/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0
From what I've read on the linux document project's site my cdrom is set
correctly in fstab. The cdrom is actually a dvd-rom drive, that actually
works and plays dvd's, would it need different settings in fstab to play
audio cd's.
tia
Lameth
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:02:43 -0800
From: "Joe Emenaker" <joe@emenaker.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: How do I prevent DHCP'd interfaces from coming up automatically
on boot?
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I've got a built-in ethernet jack on my laptop. Being a laptop... this jack
is often not plugged into anything (aka: I don't want it coming up
automatically on boot). However, being a laptop, when it *is* plugged in, it
gets plugged in at a variety of places (aka: I need DHCP).
The problem is that, if I set up my /etc/network/interfaces like so:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet dhcp
then Debian seems to try to bring up eth0 *anyway*. /etc/network/interfaces
claims that I can use a "noauto <interface>" directive, but I get an error
message on the console (about a syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces, of
course) at boot time when I try that.
Am I missing something here? Is it the prescribed behavior for the "dhcp"
directive to imply "auto"?
- Joe
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:20:24 -0500
From: Derrick 'dman' Hudson <dman@dman.ddts.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Spurious interrupt...
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:42:00AM +0800, Joey Quevedo wrote:
| Hi,
|
| Does anybody know what does this message means:
|
| "Spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7"?
It means "nothing", more-or-less. At one point I did a google search
and found out more details. I see it too, on a dell inspirion 7500
from work.
| <Disclaimer> :
| This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you
| must not disclose, distribute or use the information in it as this could
| be a breach of confidentiality.
Oops.
| If you have received this message in
| error,
Was it in error?
| please advise us immediately by return e-mail and delete the
| document.
Ok, sure. But this is public ya know.
| The address from which this message has been sent is
| strictly for business mail only and the company reserves the right to
| monitor the contents of communications and take action where and
| when it is deemed necessary. Thank you for your co-operation.
In case you didn't guess yet, these disclaimers are both stupid and
powerless.
-D
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but there is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
Proverbs 18:24
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:15:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Alvin Oga <aoga@Maggie.Linux-Consulting.com>
To: "Derrick 'dman' Hudson" <dman@dman.ddts.net>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Spurious interrupt...
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hi ya derrick
thanx for the entertainment !!!
c ya
alvin
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
...
> | <Disclaimer> :
> | This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you
> | must not disclose, distribute or use the information in it as this could
> | be a breach of confidentiality.
>
> Oops.
>
> | If you have received this message in
> | error,
>
> Was it in error?
>
> | please advise us immediately by return e-mail and delete the
> | document.
>
> Ok, sure. But this is public ya know.
>
> | The address from which this message has been sent is
> | strictly for business mail only and the company reserves the right to
> | monitor the contents of communications and take action where and
> | when it is deemed necessary. Thank you for your co-operation.
>
> In case you didn't guess yet, these disclaimers are both stupid and
> powerless.
>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:20:06 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: Siinnerr@aol.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Install w/ floppy not working on compaq laptop (armada m700)
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Siinnerr@aol.com wrote:
Im trying to put debian on my compaq armada m700 and am not having luck
here's what i did
i downloaded to a floppy base-1.bin
<http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/base-1.bin>
from
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/
The image has to be put onto the floppy using a special tool. Download and
run "rawrite2.exe" to put the image on the floppy. You'll need more than
just this one floppy however. See the instructions at
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:23:57 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Install w/ floppy not working on compaq laptop (armada m700)
Message-ID: <[🔎] 3DBDF13D.4090807@acu.edu>
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Siinnerr@aol.com wrote:
Im trying to put debian on my compaq armada m700 and am not having luck
here's what i did
i downloaded to a floppy base-1.bin
<http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/base-1.bin>
from
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/
The image has to be put onto the floppy using a special tool. Download and
run "rawrite2.exe" to put the image on the floppy. You'll need more than
just this one floppy however. See the instructions at
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:43:26 +1100
From: "Joyce, Matthew" <MJoyce@ccia.org.au>
To: "'Siinnerr@aol.com'" <Siinnerr@aol.com>,
debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: Install w/ floppy not working on compaq laptop (armada m700)
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Is base1.bin bootable ?
I think you need to get some other floppy images. They depend on which
type of kernel you will be using.
<http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies
11.2.3.1 Files for the Initial System Boot
<http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix.en.html>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix.en.html
I would definitly read through the install manual before proceeding.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Siinnerr@aol.com [mailto:Siinnerr@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 October 2002 12:47 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Install w/ floppy not working on compaq laptop (armada m700)
Im trying to put debian on my compaq armada m700 and am not having luck
here's what i did
i downloaded to a floppy
<http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/base-1.bin>base-1.bin
from
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/base-images-3.0.23-2002-07-18/images-1.44/
in the bios of the laptop i set the boot order to:
1st multidrive
2nd HD
3rd Ether
then to begin install i tried to boot the laptop (not reboot) from the
base 1 bin floppy and it still went straight into windows xp
what am i doing wrong
ive been using debian for almost a year on my home system but have never
installed it myself so please speak in laymans terms if possible and with
as much direction as possible. if there is something else i need please
tell me what and where
thank you so much for your help
David
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:53:38 PST
From: Andris Kalnozols <andris@hpl.hp.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-boot@lists.debian.org
Subject: Need help installing network driver
Message-Id: <[🔎] 200210290253.SAA16709@nasdaq.hpl.hp.com>
Forgive the cross-post but I think it's important that the
boot-floppy folks know about this installation difficulty.
I'm trying to install Debian on a Proliant DL360 server with Compaq's
built-in NC7780 gigabit-ethernet based on the Broadcom 5701 chip.
Status: Succeeded in getting the base system installed by choosing
the `bf24' kernel, the only option on the 3.0 CD that
recognized the Smart Array 5i RAID controller.
Problem #1: Cannot get past the base system install because tasksel
keeps looping at the prompt to mount CD #1.
Problem #2: There was no network driver that I could find on the 3.0
Debian CDs that supports the Broadcom device.
In researching the issue, I ran accross postings that reach
the general conclusion that Broadcom's original driver is
not good, e.g., < http://old.lwn.net/2002/0228/a/tigon.php3 >.
The recommended alternative is the tg3 (Tigon3) driver.
Question: I have access to another fully-installed Debian system with a
gcc compiler as well as these files from a Redhat 7.3 system:
tg3.c tg3.h tg3.o
Could someone please tell me the steps (details would be nice)
that are necessary to prepare the above tg3 files into something
that can be put onto a floppy disk and transported via sneakernet
to the Catch-22 system? Once I get network connectivity, I'll
have a workaround to problem #1.
Suggestion: Could the boot-floppy maintainers please include the tg3
network driver in their future versions?
Thanks,
Andris Kalnozols
andris@hpl.hp.com
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:08:38 +1100
From: David Cureton <david.cureton@catapult.com>
To: Leo Spalteholz <leo@thewoodpecker.ca>,
debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Shoutcast - passwords
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Oh I recall a problem like that with icecast. I think it was due to there
being a space or some other whitespace character at the end of the password
in the config file. Very frustrating!!
I recall pulling my hair out when the passwords looked exactly the same!!!!
(well almost)
I have a vague recollection of there being two passwords also. An
administrator and a client. But those memories are vague!
On Monday 28 October 2002 05:18, Leo Spalteholz wrote:
> On October 26, 2002 09:42 pm, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:54:53PM +0200, Bache Kharazmi wrote:
> > > hi
> > >
> > > Anyone who've experience in sending shoutcast radio ?
> > > I've been trying xmms-liveice but it sucks and make xmms crash.
> > > any suggestions ?
> >
> > Have you had a look at the icecast-server or libapache-mod-mp3
> > packages?
>
> Yes, try icecast-server and please post if you get it working. I've
> had no ends of trouble with the debian icecast package and encrypted
> passwords.
>
> cheers,
> leo
>
> >
> > -rob
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:39:06 -0600
From: "Donald R. Spoon" <dspoon@astcomm.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Need help installing network driver
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Andris Kalnozols wrote:
Forgive the cross-post but I think it's important that the
boot-floppy folks know about this installation difficulty.
I'm trying to install Debian on a Proliant DL360 server with Compaq's
built-in NC7780 gigabit-ethernet based on the Broadcom 5701 chip.
Status: Succeeded in getting the base system installed by choosing
the `bf24' kernel, the only option on the 3.0 CD that
recognized the Smart Array 5i RAID controller.
Problem #1: Cannot get past the base system install because tasksel
keeps looping at the prompt to mount CD #1.
Problem #2: There was no network driver that I could find on the 3.0
Debian CDs that supports the Broadcom device.
In researching the issue, I ran accross postings that reach
the general conclusion that Broadcom's original driver is
not good, e.g., < http://old.lwn.net/2002/0228/a/tigon.php3 >.
The recommended alternative is the tg3 (Tigon3) driver.
Question: I have access to another fully-installed Debian system with a
gcc compiler as well as these files from a Redhat 7.3 system:
tg3.c tg3.h tg3.o
Could someone please tell me the steps (details would be nice)
that are necessary to prepare the above tg3 files into something
that can be put onto a floppy disk and transported via sneakernet
to the Catch-22 system? Once I get network connectivity, I'll
have a workaround to problem #1.
Suggestion: Could the boot-floppy maintainers please include the tg3
network driver in their future versions?
Thanks,
Andris Kalnozols
andris@hpl.hp.com
I did some snooping around on this one, and found out tg3.o driver is NOT
in my "full" 2.4.18 kernel, but is included in my "full" 2.4.19
kernel. Both of these were installed from the Debian "kernel-image"
packages after I had done a bf2.4 initial install.
The bf2.4 boot-floppies have been trimmed to fit on a floppy. Only the
most likely drivers are included, and unfortunately there will always be
that 10 percent that have equipment not covered. Sorry...
I understand the packages available from Debian are spread across the 7
CDs, with the most frequently used residing on CD #1. I suspect your
tasksel is looking for a needed package that is NOT on your current
CD. The only answer to this is to get CD #1 if you must run tasksel.
Here is a "kludge" suggestion... If you can get a "minimal" install done
on the machine to where you have floppy and CDROM access at the command
line, you might be able to transfer the 2.4.19 kernel package to it after
downloading it on your other machine. Once you get it installed, you
should be able to bring up the network and complete your install from the
internet. I would suggest you temporarily skip the tasksel step (don't
choose anything) and see if the install will complete. This should give
you a minimal "working" system... command line only. If this can't be
done, then getting hold of CD #1 is probably necessary. For the
kernel-image transfer, I suspect the package is too large to fit on a
floppy. That is why I mentioned CDROM access above. You could burn it on
a CD and transfer it that way.
Alternatively ("kludge #2"), to establish network access you could
temporarily put in another NIC that has a driver in the bf2.4 kernel and
get the files you need that way. This might end up being the easiest by
far...you could d/l anthing you need (including packages on CD #1) off the
internet. Once you get the kernel-image-2.4.19 installed you should be
ready to go!
HTH & gives you some ideas.
Cheers,
-Don Spoon-