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Re: this post is not off-topic



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manoj Srivastava" <srivasta@debian.org>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: this post is not off-topic


> >>"David" == David Wright <ichbin@shadlen.org> writes:
>
>  >> Our users. Not our users of the most popular
>  >> architectures. _all_ our users.
>
>  David> Please! Your last justification "we do it because it floats
>  David> our boat, not for the users" was at least honest.
>
> I see that you can't maintain a civil dialogue. I certainly do
>  not understand how you come to the conclusion that this statement of
>  mine is dishonest; but I most certainly am close to disregarding you
>  as a rude, inconsiderate, troll.
>
>  David> One of your $250 hours would do more for "_all_ our users" if
>  David> spent on a i386 than on 68k.
>
> And this statement either displays a profound lack f
>  understanding of English (quite possible, it is not your first
>  language), or a worse grasp of simple logic. All our users do not use
>  i386, hence the statement above does not make sense. Secondly, I
>  doubt if the statement is really valid either, see below for my
>  reasons.
>
> Indeed, were you a prime example of a user of i386 box, I
>  would now be tempted to lower the importance of i386 in Debian
>  (despite the fdact that I do not have a non i386 machine).
>
>  David> This simple, irrefutable fact
>
> It is not a fact, nor is this irrefutable. Uncovering and
>  fixing porting related bugs leads to fixing problems that are
>  generally flaws that have been hidden on other architectures, it
>  leads to better design, often more modular, streamlined, and simpler,
>  due to the resulting abstractions; portable software often is easier
>  to maintain.
>
>  David> does not make 68k users "second class citizens". If you want
>  David> to argue this, you need to go back to the original metaphor
>  David> and explain why obscure diseases deserve as much funding as
>  David> those affecting large fractions of the population.
>
> Who the hell cares about sheer numbers of users out there in
>  the wild? I sure as hell don't. If numbers had been important to me,
>  I would not have been wasting my time on Linux.
>
>  >> Do you know what motivates the developers?
>
>  David> I would certainly think so, since I am one professionally. And
>
> Professionally, remuneration often is the driver; it is not a
>  factor in volunteer work on free software. A quick google search for
>  you email address failed to turn up any hits apart from postings of a
>  few user lists; so I have no idea if you work on any free software,
>  and thus have a first hand understanding on what may drive people to
>  work on it.
>
>  David> I (and I strongly suspect most other developers) get a much
>  David> bigger kick out of doing something new that out of doing
>  David> something old on an obscure platform.
>
>
> Glad to know you feel that way, in case you ever show up in
>  the NM queue. BTW, anyone who does not care about a solid, well
>  tested, portable software is not very professional, really. Software
>  engineering is more than just the latest 31337 cool hack; profession
>  systems integration work requires solid, workanlike, professional QA
>  work as well. I would hope that most Debian developers are not
>  juvenile 31337 kiddies with a minuscule attention span.
>
>  >> Debian leadership? The project leader has no say in deciding
>  >> what architectures one releases.
>
>  David> "No say?" That is flat-out wrong. The PL and RM may not decide
>  David> alone, but they most certainly have a say, and a large one, in
>
> And on what, pray, are you basing this? When did the DPL ever
>  have _any_ sayu whatsoever in the arches one releases for? The RM
>  needs to bve convinced, yes, but he merely has veto pwoers, he
>  certainlky does not add new arches all by his lone self, over the
>  objections of people doing the real work.
>
>  David> Certainly the appropriate conclusion wouldn't be to "ban" any
>  David> 68k package someone wants to produce. But it would be to say
>  David> we will not freeze the whole damn distribution while we wait
>  David> for them and the infrastructure they require.
>
> I am so glad you are not the RM.
>
> manoj
>
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>  Margaret Mead once remarked, with her usual good sense, but in 1978
>  she shocked feminists by snapping that women don't really have
>  children to put them in day care twelve hours a day, either. Caroline
>  Bird, "The Two Paycheck Marriage"
> Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>
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