Re: Red Hat user shopping around
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 23:49, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> dman writes:
> >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> >debian packages are much saner too -- for example try installing
> >python2 on a headless RH box *without* also installing the X server
> >and X font server.
>
> Package dependencies are a real killer. Try installing XFree86 first. It has
> dependencies, which in turn have dependency requirements, which also have them -
> 4 or 5 deep. These of course conflict with other packages you already have
> installed. Some packages you need use older libraries, others newer libraries.
> So you get to chose one or the other, or run different releases on different
> computers.
Yeah, that's why I dumped Mandrake... It was _impossible_
to upgrade mdk8.0 from kde 2.2.1 to 2.2.2. The RPM Hell
was infuriating.
Debian is _so_ easy in that regard. Twice a week, do
a "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" and you're
home free.
[snip]
> You'll get plenty of those. I've read through the list mail over the last
> couple of days. There are noticeable differences in the language Debian users
> speak. One user posted a question about finding configuration files. I didn't
> respond because of the differences. But on Red Hat you can find most
> configuration files with
>
> $ locate .conf
>
> For a specific program, such as proftp:
>
> $ locate .conf | grep proftp
> /etc/proftpd.conf.rpmnew
> /etc/proftpd.conf
> /etc/proftpd.conf.new
> /etc/proftpd1.conf
> /etc/proftpd.conf~
> /etc/proftpd1.conf~
> /home/glenlee/etc/proftpd.conf
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/complex-virtual.conf
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/PFTEST.conf.in
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/anonymous.conf
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/basic.conf
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/mod_sql.conf
> /usr/share/doc/proftpd-1.2.5rc1/sample-configurations/virtual.conf
>
> Guess I need to delete some files!
Isn't that how everyone does it? Even in Debian/woody, there
are .conf files in more places than just the /etc tree.
[snip]
> That by itself is good enough for me to try it. I absolutely dread Red Hat
> upgrades. I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade individual
> packages without having to re-install the whole system. Most of the time when I
> upgrade I can guarantee that the box will be down for one to several days. Ugh!
Note, though, that even with Debian, if a package requires, say,
perl5.6, and your old stable/Potato box only has perl5, you're
going to download a _whole_lot_ of dependant packages.
A Debian policy-that-I-think-is-a-quirk: there is the the concept
of the meta-package. mail-transport-agent is an example. When,
for example, you install exim, mail-transport-agent is also
installed. If you want to install postfix to test it out, apt
will remove exim, since the exim & postfix packages are both
members of the same meta-package. It won't let me manage
inetd.conf to make sure that 2 different programs are combating
for the same port.
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