Is it even possible to have a umask set so that newly created files have the s bit set? It seems that the only way for this to happen is by having an alias which chmods things afterwards or by making dirs under dirs with the group s bit set. Andrew. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org