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Re: Setting up a bunch of boxen at a small school.



* Sunny Dubey (dubeys@bxscience.edu) [010923 19:17]:
> First, please note that using Gnome will not help you because it is no where 
> near "ease-of-use" as KDE is.  Browsing the web is no big deal because just 
> about any browser can browse the web.  However, you might seriously consider 
> Konqueror.  Unlike Mozilla, or Mozilla derivatives, Konq is pretty stable, 
> and does one amazing job on the internet when it comes to rendering HTML and 
> CSS code.  (please note that Mozilla et al are progressing rapidly, however 
> there is no way to tell when they will reach a stage of prefect usablity.
> 
> For checking mail there are various clients.  I myself use Kmail (for KDE) 
> however, there are the clients packaged with Mozilla, and Evolution for Gnome.
> 
> 
> I know it might seem great and all to have them using Linux and most likely 
> KDE ... however remember one key word ... interpolaritability ...

dude ... that is so NOT a word!

As to your points regarding application software, I'd tend to agree with
your description of word processors, but I think you were a bit harsh on
your treatment of browsers: Mozilla is very usable and very stable.
Please don't wait for it to reach "perfect usability," as there is no
such thing. And when it comes to DEs, K does still feel like a much more
"complete" environment, but gnome is getting there. I find gnome with
enlightenment to be prettier, and it can be set up to be very easy to
use for users; just stick familiar launchers on a panel and it should be
enough for them to get the job done.

> This network is pretty easy to maintain, however it does require lots of 
> licenses ot be purchased, and the amount of money spend adds up fast.

Well, as a novel idea, in order to avoid exorbitant software licensing
fees, I might invite the reader to check name of this mailing list and
follow up to find out what they can about the debian project. =)

> > I'm looking for a setup that's easy to admin remotely and involves zero
> > fiddling with the individual boxen.

Well, if you've got one/some machine(s) powerful enough to provide the
backend, you could set up the multiple boxen as thin clients. That's
really the zero-fiddling solution. The other way (which admittedly
involves some fiddling) would be to just mount home dirs from a
fileserver and have individual machines running potato for the
less-fiddling solution or woody for a more up-to-date environment (this
will be nice for things like mozilla, kde, and gnome without hassle).

In short, the 2 ideas you already had are good ones; the decision comes
down to just how little tolerance you have for individual fiddling. The
thin client solution is definitely less maintenance at each individual
machine; once they're set up, users really can't easily mess things up.
Application maintenance would be zero, and OS maintenance only requires
a reboot so that the new kernel can be tftp'd in.

> 
> look into an application called Norton Ghost.  What this app will let you do 
... is this:

for OTHER_HOST in `cat otherhosts.txt` ; do
  dpkg --get-selections | ssh $OTHER_HOST dpkg --set-selections
done

I guess, to be fair, I should acknowledge that maybe it duplicates some
/etc files as well.

Sorry, buddy, I don't mean to be a punk and/or flame you, but
recommending non-free software on this list is one of my pet peeves, and
really pretty heretical!

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