Re: Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's installation
On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 10:36:17PM -0400, Harry Henry Gebel wrote:
| On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 02:03:50PM -0400, D-Man wrote:
| > I'm a little confused here : In the american public education system
| > "K" stands for "Kindergarten" (ie 5-6 year olds) and "10" would be
| > 10th grade, or a high-school sophomore (15-16 year olds). Middle
| > school is grades 6-8 and high school is 9-12.
|
| This is not neccessarily true, it varies from school district to school
| district. At my school district (Caeser Rodney District in Kent County,
| Delaware) we didn't have a Middle School and Junior High was grades 7-8.
| Surrounding school districts mostly had Middle Schools, but the grades
| varied from district to district.
I have seen grade 6 shifted between Elementary and Middle school,
depending on the context. Also, at least here in Rochester, New York,
"Middle School" and "Junior High" are synonomous, but the former is
usually used.
| > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent)
| > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or
| > computers in general) work. I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade,
| > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until
| > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to
| > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)).
|
| I don't know about that, when I was in 3rd grade (1979) they sent the TAG
| kids to use a timesharing system at Delaware State College. I don't
| remember what system it was using (not UNIX, the commands were more verbose,
| ex. COPY instead of cp. Also I think I remember it being all capitals but
| I can't remember.) In any case we became fairly profecient on it.
Back in the days, you were lucky! :-). When I was in elementary
school there was an Apple ][e in the back of some classrooms. I never
saw it used, though. In middle school I used a few Macs (old)
occasionally and some PS/2 PCs that had no useful software available.
I learned MS-DOS at home on my Dad's Packard Bell 286.
In high school I used the same PS/2s (hardware-wise, they were in a
different room and had a little more software) to use MS Works (DOS!)
and an old desktop publisher (also DOS, no color). That was my junior
year, 1997. I also learned to touch-type on an Apple ][e. The
teacher also taught things like how to center the text (who really
sets the right margin to 0, then counts how many characters are on a
line? Ok, if you were using a typewrite, but give me a break here!).
My senior year I got to use win3.11 for workgroups using Works and
Publisher. I actually spent more time playing games or surfing the
'net than doing work, but I got all my work done. I actually knew a
lot more about the system than the teacher did. The other (4)
students in that class got to use the brand new Win95 machines with
Word and PowerPoint. They weren't networked though, so I didn't mind
having the lesser box (wich was only purchased the year before).
I remember, sometime around 94-95 an elementary school was built and
they got 4 computers in each classroom. They were sweet, but I was
wondering why the little tykes who didn't understand them got them,
but the "greybeards" who would like to learn didn't get any. (Not
that giving a kid a computer and teaching him to use it is bad, but
how much do you think those teachers actually knew? How much time
could/did they spend with 4 boxen in a class of 20-30?) Until the
year after I graduated my high school only taught BASIC and Pascal on
Apple ][e machines. Ok, they were only about 2 decades behind! (Hmm,
was Pascal ever used on the ][e? Maybe they had PS/2s for that) Now
they teach MSVC++ and VB on Windows. My brother took the "intro"
courses for both C++ and VB. I don't know VB, but in C++ they didn't
get past control structures (maybe they did functions) but they
certainly didn't cover classes, templates, exceptions, or anything.
An intro course doesn't necessarily need to cover those, but if you
don't cover them then call the course "C", not "C++" (and use printf
instead of cout).
Some of you were child prodigies, but I wasn't quite as lucky. :-)
-D
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