it's a system that I *have* root access but I wanted to try and *break* it as an ordinary user if there was a way... If you find a way, please report the bug. :) Seriously: Do you mean that this is a system to which you have no root access, or are you the system administrator trying to give your users such an ability? In the latter case, a method could be devised. -=greg -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net