here's another proposal for a meta-faq for newbies-- http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0008/msg02823.html -- don't visit this page. it's bad for you. take my expert word for it. http://www.salon.com/people/col/pagl/2001/03/21/spring/index1.html will@serensoft.com http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!