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Re: Spammer by incompetence, RBL may be an option



On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Robert Waldner wrote:
> The RBL is for spammers, that is, UCE (Unsolicited Commercial Email), 
>  UBE (Unsolicited Bulk Email), also, fraud (mailbombing etc) is 
>  sometimes considered spam.

They are sending unsolicited and inappropriate messages to anyone who
posts on debian-user (and whatever other mailing lists the bozo
subscribed to)... looks to me like they are spamming a subset of
debian-user subscribers.

> It is *not* intended for misconfigured/-programmed mailers, nor a list 
>  of open relays (ORBS http://www.orbs.org/ is doing that).
> 
> Read http://maps.vix.com/rbl/candidacy.html .
> 
> So, the RBL is simply the wrong place for something like that.

Where is the right place?

> Also the RBL is used throughout the internet for *blackholing* all 
>  IP-connectivity from spammers. If you misconfigured your MTA (or 
>  simply chose a, say, "broken", one), what would you say if you were 
>  cut off from ~ 40 % of the internet, as would be the effect if you 
>  were RBLed?

I would say, `damn, I'd better fix the problem, fast!'

> I sent a (friendly) message to the postmaster at my.netvigator.com 
>  already, informing them of the problem and pointing out directions to 
>  fix it. You may want to do the same.

There are no responses from:
	postmaster@my.netvigator.com
	webmaster@my.netvigator.com
	abuse@my.netvigator.com
	editor@netvigator.com

Maybe someone who speaks chinese could track down the advertisers on
netvigator's site (lotsa links with "ads" and "advertising" in the URLs 
there) and ask if they can put pressure on netvigator to fix things.

<frustrated-and-very-annoyed-mode>
Another (bad, don't do it, shame on me for even thinking it) option is
to bring down their site...
they are using Netscape Enterprise Server 3.6.
</frustrated-and-very-annoyed-mode>


later,

	Bruce



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