hello everyone ! not to add useless traffic to this very busy list, i just thought everyone could use some rather annoying ice breakers from those sleepless debugging/hacking nights ... "off topic" site for the day... http://www3.mcps.k12.md.us/users/rsfay/magic/index.html cheers, Chad thanks to peach` of irc.undernet for the link, i was playing w/ hylaFAX-server config files when she gave me this link