Instead of all this futzing around, why not use a getty designed for what you are doing?? I use mingetty. Not only is it smaller than agetty, and a hair faster -- it also clears term. I have it display linux_logo above my login prompt. When I log out Linux_logo reappears and all is fresh again. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe debian-user-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null