Re: Bye Bruce

[Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com>]

Hi,
>>"Alex" == Alex Romosan <alex@juliet.fnal.gov> writes:

Alex> but this is not really what you said a few days ago. to quote:

	Yes, I did  say that, didn't I? 

Manoj> The thing that drives us is that we feel a sense of community
Manoj> with people like us, who are like minded enough and have made
Manoj> the same commitments we have: to produce free software; and
Manoj> they have gone beyond lip service and actually come forth to
Manoj> stand up and be counted. We are not islands. We are a
Manoj> community. And outsiders fail to realize this.

	I had just been called a pin headed programmer incapable of
 making rational decisions ;-)

Alex> i don't think in that community you included any users.

	Yes, and it is close enough to the truth to be believable. The
 omission is that unsers contribute too: most of my code has
 benefitted greatly from friendly feedback; and a lot of my motivatin
 has come from people expressing thanks.

	A coperative, friendly, community of users is invaluable.

	Also, I am invilved with an use a large number of free
 software products: I have been involved with Gnus, CVS, XEmacs,
 auctex, bbdb, LaTeX2HTML, tetex, and the kernel; In the majority of
 these cases I hung out there on the lists, using the software, and
 acting as bug detecting mechanism and and feedback loop: so there is
 never an absolute distinctin between users and developers.

	A developer in on project maybe a user in another, and we
 are all working together for the benefit of the whole.

Alex> and then there is that ugly word: outsiders.

	And yes, there are always outsiders. When you have a
 community, unless it encompasses all humanity, there are always
 outsiders. People who do not "get" freedom of software. People who
 think free software people are suckers to be exploted as free
 labout. People who come in making rude demands. Poeple who are too
 important and busy to read instructions, and who need a fix now!
 People who say developers are pin headed programmers, and they do not
 need tobe jerked around by them

Alex> not that there is anything wrong with being elitist. anyway,
Alex> keep up the good work, i, and everybody else, really appreciate
Alex> it (even if i disagree strongly with some of your statements).

	I do not think disagreement is necesarily a bad thing,
 either. Thanks for the kind words.

	manoj

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