RE: On Bruce Perens and Dave Cinege, etc.
On 27-Oct-97 Richard G. Roberto wrote:
> I fear
> that I've come to a conclusion that may bring a fair bit of
> flame mail my way, but Dave Cinege has to be dealt with. We
> must revoke his license to victimize the community at large.
There is an expression in the US ... you have the right to swing your arms but
that right ends where my nose begins.
>
> He can practice freedom of speech elsewhere on the net.
Freedom to speak is one thing, disrupting a forum designed to facillitate the
accomplishment of work and supporting users is something different. My
personal opinion is that he is using his freedom of speech to impeed the
quiet enjoyment of the distribution by others. In other words, I am starting
to feel that the postings are nothing more than "chaff" designed to jam the
mailing lists and he relies on "freedom of speech" as armor.
In the US, the government can not prosecute you for your views but your
neighbors can tell you to shut the hell up and throw you in jail for disturbing
the peace.
>
> PROPOSAL FOR TERM LIMITS
I completely disagree with this. The people that vote are smart enough to know
if their leadership is competant of if a fresh face is needed or if an opponent
would make a better leader. What is all boils down to is who do the developers
want to work for. They are voting for their boss. If I had a good boss, I would
hate to loos him if we wanted him and he wanted to stay but had to go just
because of some arbitrary rule.
>
> By the by, for the record, I think Bruce is a huge asset
> to debian as a computer scientist and as project leader.
I think people forget the traveling he does, the hours he spends helping folks
in debian-user, keeping the distribution focused, I think he was even flooded
out last winter for a while during the rain in California but still kept up
with things somehow.
Remember that these are not just names at the end of email messages, these are
real people. It is easy to stare into a tube and attack someone that is to you
only words on your CRT but on the other end those words look out onto a real
face of a real person that has a job, a home, and is still managing to guide
the distribution because right now, he seems to think that it is a good thing to
do. I, for one, am thankful for it. I happen to like debian as it exists right
now and hope for beter things in the future. Debian does not OWE me a
distribution. It exists because people want it to exist and work hard at it.
At some point when the kid gets older and I put in less time commuting, I might
be able to contribute more myself and maybe I might be asked to help out in
some way. In the meantime, I loose respect for someone that demands inclusion
on the team without at least continued maintenance of a contrib package with a
track record of quality product. DC can bugger off.
gb
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