The mailing lists were stalled for a few hours, apparently due to some gateway work at Novare (but I'm not sure). Mark at Novare is working on the problem as I write this. I transplanted a qmail queue to Pixar so that it would get delivered while the problem was being resolved. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP Bruce@Pixar.com 510-215-3502 Finger bruce@master.Debian.org for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3