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Re: Quake 1.01 vs 1.06



Larry 'Daffy' Daffner:
> There ARE new squake/xquake packages.  They've been sitting in
> Incoming on master since quake-lib_1.06-1 showed up.  Anyone know why
> they haven't moved into the main tree?

I don't know. I've gotten this reported by dozens of users. I've had a bug
report filed on quake about it. I've mailed Guy and tried to get some
explination, and it still sits there in incoming. It was uploaded on Feb
7th, I believe.

I uploaded a new version of quake 1.06 today, to fix a bug, and hopefully
get it processed and moved out of Incoming. I hope that it gets processed
within the next few days.

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Hi,
>>"Mark" == Mark Eichin <eichin@cygnus.com> writes:

>> This may be a simplification. Have you looked at the hoops one has
>> to go through to achieve this goal? Do we really expect the

Mark> The list you mention isn't particularly relevant -- if a package
Mark> specifically only works on one and not the other, then it should
Mark> depend on one or the other, oh well.  However, there are ways of
Mark> handling these portably, and any "big" elisp packages worth
Mark> packaging do, in fact, handle all of those -- gnus, w3, calc...
Mark> I'm trying to make it *easier* for the debian-maintainer, not
Mark> harder :-)

      OK.  I misunderstood your initial statement:

Mark-Old> There are no plans to solve this non-problem :-) The high
Mark-Old> level goal is that any package that depends on emacs works
Mark-Old> with any and all of them.  We should be able to accomplish
Mark-Old> this.

     My contention was merely that package maintainers should not be
 the ones to attempt to accomplish this laudable goal; because in some
 cases this would take extra-ordinary effort. (I'm not sure I have the
 requisite skill either).

     I'm glad we agree about the rest ;-).

     manoj

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eichin@cygnus.com said:
> I'm working on this issue right now with the current (new) xemacs 
> maintainer.  We've already got the conflicts straightened out, we're 
> working on the byte-compiler issue.  Anyone out there actually 
> installed both on a site before, and know how compatible the *really* 
> are from experience, rather than from theory?  (Or have an xemacs doc 
> ref that recommends an approach?)  If all else fails, I can by 
> default set 'byte-compile-compatibility in emacs19 which generates 
> emacs18 compatible bytecodes; this should let them work on both, but 
> is a bit drastic.  

The XEmacs bytecode can run on both emacsen.
I don't know if the XEmacs .el (and .elc) will run like this on emacs.
One simple solution would be to have:

/usr/lib/emacs/<version>/lisp	   	GNU Emacs specific elisp
/usr/lib/xemacs/<version>/lisp     	XEmacs specific elisp
/usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/lisp   	Common elisp
/usr/lib/emacs/<version>/site-lisp 	Packages-added GNU emacs elisp
/usr/lib/xemacs/<version>/site-lisp	Packages-added XEmacs elisp
/usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/site-lisp	Packages-added common elisp

All .elc going under /usr/lib/emacsen should be compiled with Xemacs.

The harder will be to determine which common subset of the Emacs and XEmacs distributed elisp can be put under /usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/lisp (avoiding duplication). As a starting point, this could be empty and both emacsen could come with their own elisp files...

All elisp packages should go under /usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/site-lisp unless they run in only one of the emacsen.

The paths mentionned above might be changes obviously.

Phil.


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>Michael, would you please bring these issues up on the linux-gcc
>mailing list?  Considering my ignorance regarding locale support, I
>don't know if I would even ask the right questions.

Okay, I will. Unfortunately I'm not subsrcibed anymore but I think that
won't be a problem.

>> Also David, locales does conflict and replace with localebin, but only
>> conflict with wg15-locale. Is that what you wanted?
>
>Please check your .deb file again.  Mine conflicts with both localebin
>and wg15-locale.

Yes, both conflict. But locales does not replace wg15-locale. So I
cannot install it except for adding a --force option or manually
removing wg15.

Michael

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	Bruce

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Test, plz ignore.
borik

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I was just trying to download and install the lprng package from stable
using dselect 1.4.0.7 with the ftp Access method.  Basically, I went into
Select, and selected the package lprng (I got the dependencies window
saying lprng recommended magicfilter, but I did not select magicfilter). 

The select menu item for lprng looks like;

  _* Opt net      lprng       <none>    2.4.2-1   lpr/lpd printer spooling

When I exit (pressing Enter) and Install, I get

----------------------------------------------------------
   Processing status file...

   Processing Package files...
    stable...
    contrib...
    non-free...
   
   Constructing list of files to get...

   Approximate total space required: 0k
   Available space in ../../../../../dosc/Debian/1.2: 235632k
   Nothing to get.
   Processing downloaded files...(for corrupt/old/partial)
------------------------------------------------------------

Nothing to get???  If I go back into the Select option after this aborted 
attempt, it still says I want to install lprng, just like is shown 
above.  Seems like I must be doing something silly, I just can't figure 
out what....

Any help is appreciated.

Scott

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After upgrading to bash 2.0, I was getting the same error as everyone else
when sysklogd started up.  So, I upgraded.  When I installed the package,
I got the error that is reproduced below.  I am wondering if my system is
misconfigured or if the package has a small bug.

Thanks
Paul Serice


=====================================================================
(Reading database ... 34406 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace sysklogd 1.3-14 (using sysklogd_1.3-14.deb) ...
Stopping system log daemon: klogd syslogd.
Unpacking replacement sysklogd ...
Setting up sysklogd (1.3-14) ...
/usr/sbin/update-rc.d: line 109: syntax error: unexpected end of file
dpkg: error processing sysklogd (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 sysklogd
=====================================================================

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I'm thinking rtfm is read the _fine_ manual and RTFM is what you think it is!
I get the uppercase version all the time.  At least the original post 
included a suggestion as to which fm would be a good place to start.  
That will be one of the next two ORA books I buy!

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

> > Gee, what's wrong with a suggestion to "Read The Fine Manuals"???
> 
> Oh, it's read the _fine_ manual, is it? Everything I know is wrong!

kevin

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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 carlos@fisica.ufpr.br wrote:


.....Much Deleted.....

> 
> The real fix seems to go to lprng. That's the official position of the
> maintainer as well, as stated in a msg. to this list last year. I'll
> do it as soon as I have a chance.
> 

If the recommended fix (by the package maintainer even) is to switch from 
lpr to lprng, shouldn't lpr be switched out of Standard and lprng moved 
from Optional into Standard?

I just happen to be having some problems setting up lpr as well.  I think 
I'll switch to lprng before spending any more time.

Scott



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|"In article <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970226120804.18085S-100000@siva.taz.net.au>,
|"     Yes, I know about this - I found it out a few days ago, BUT, you
|"are again missing my point that in *my*, yes, *my* view it would be an
|"advantage to have some sort of nice default setup instead of a
|"bare-bones system. Yes, all the tools are in place to help me customize
|"but the system is still bare-bones. I don't know about you, but I am
|"into Linux as a hobby - I only have a few hours a week to devote to it.
|"I *will* get around to learning all the intricacies and I *will*
|"configure it to my own tastes, but in the meantime, while I am learning
|"all the functions I would prefer a nicer setup.

How about a package that would depend on tools such as menu and friends that
would configure a system - it could be called 'configure' or, to stay in
your analogy of bones, "flesh". (or "flash"). Or maybe not depend on
packages at all, but determining dynamically what packages are on the system
and present defaults accordingly.

This package would:

- have menu screens allowing you to choose default prompts
 
  Would you like the default prompt to look like:
  1) Standard ($, % or #, depending on shell used)
  2) [user@host] current_directory command_number 
  3) Custom

  The custom option could lead to a menu where you could choose various 
  elements (user,host,current_directory, history etc) and put them in
  any order.

System-level:

- have menu screens allowing you to configure your uucp
- have menu screens allowing you to configure your news
- have menu screens allowing you to configure your mail
- have menu screens allowing you to configure your webserver

(I know that these are also in post-install scripts or separate config-scripts,
 but those scripts could be integrated in this program, just to have all
 configuration at your fingertips)

User-level:

- have menu screens allowing you to configure procmail
  (offer default rules for filtering of mailing-lists, certain persons etc.)
- have menu screens allowing you to configure X11
  (adding of hosts, starting of XTerms, changing of common defaults) to the
  wm of choice

I could go on, but you get the general idea.
-- 
Ronald van Loon (ronald@and.nl)

"I am waiting as fast as I can! I want patience, and I want it *NOW*!"
                                                     - Bethany J. Parkhurst

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Hi Eugene,

if ping <hostname> is working in both directions, then I would say name
service indeed is not your problem.

It rather sounds like your inetd / portmapper is not running. Check that
your 'netbase' package is properly installed. Try to restart them by
typing:

/etc/init.d/netbase stop

followed by a

/etc/init.d/netbase start

Is there any unusul output? Further, if your problem stays it would be
very helpful for remote diagnostics ;-) to have more information, e.g.
do:

dmesg > bootmessages.txt

and post bootmessages.txt so that we can scan it for any irregularities.

So long,

	Andree

PS: Please excuse my ignorance and curiosity but what country does '.AM'
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Hi!

Has anyone else noticed that, since the upgrade to 3.2, X seems to be slower ?
I have a P120 with 48 Mb and a Stealth64 Video 2000 (S3) with 2Mb DRAM.
I use 1024x768 with 16 bpp.
After the upgrade I noticed that my WM (AfterStep) took about 2-3 seconds more
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Top showed that the XServer consumed 85-95 % of the CPU load.
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Hi,

	I am thinking that a ``compiler'', as it has been dubbed, may
 well be a better solution than an enhanced debstd. And yes, there are
 two modes to this compiler, an init mode that does debmake like
 stuff, and an update that injects/updates debstd like stuff.

	It does not have to parse the debian/rules makefile, since the
 rules injected would be an integral part of the Makefile (I think we
 can make this simple, and user configurable as well, using multiple
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	     manoj
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In a previous message Maarten Boekhold said:
> I just finished a complete update from 1.2 to unstable (a cd burned 
> monday from ftp.leidenuniv.nl, don't know how up-to-date that mirror is), 

It is not up-to-date, since the maintainers are more slackware-minded.
You can use ftp.nluug.nl in The Netherlands; it carries a lot of
mirrors and has a complete, up-to-date debian mirror.

Wichert.

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Nevermind, I read yet deeper into the archives and came across a message
from Guy Maor dated Feb 14 which explains that all I need to do is update
dpkg.  Thanks Guy.

Paul


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On Wed, 26 Feb 97 19:52:24 PST, you wrote:

>
>Well, I've been working with Debian systems for over a year now and I've
>been able to get it to dial into my ISP about three times.

Sorry to hear about your problems.  My experience has been somewhat the
opposite of yours.  I recently installed Debian 1.2, and apart from =
adding
my ppp chat script and options file from my old distribution, the only
file I needed to change (after adding it, because it was missing) was
/etc/resolv.conf file, in which I put my ISP's nameservers' IP addresses.
The rest of the /etc directory and the networking-related files were
untouched, so I guess ppp doesn't need them for the things I do.

Marty

P.S.

My chat file contains (all on one line):
bin/chat -v ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" "" ATDT<my ISP's phone number>
CONNECT "" ogin: <my login ID> ssword: <my password>'

My options file contains:
/dev/cua1 38400 -detach crtscts modem defaultroute noipdefault asyncmap 0

(These files have worked for all the modems I have tried them on, except
that I change the baud rate depending on the speed of the modem.)

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Hello All,

When I boot my Debian box and afterwards look at the boot messages in
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I just tried to install the libg++27 package and found that it seems to 
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It reports that it has installed files that it never installs and only 
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Is there a working version of this package.

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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Seth Reinosa wrote:

> how do I uncompress a progam that says 
> guavac-0.2.5-linuxelf-bin.tar.gz 
> 

to view contents:

    tar tvfz guavac-0.2.5-linuxelf-bin.tar.gz

to extract:

    tar xfzp guavac-0.2.5-linuxelf-bin.tar.gz

for more info:
    man tar
    info tar
    cd /usr/doc/tar ; less * */*

btw, there is a debian package for guavac.  I'm not sure if it's in stable
or not but it's definitely in unstable.  Install the debian package
rather than the .tar.gz file.

Craig

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From: Andreas Tille <e2od5@mlucom.urz.uni-halle.de>
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Hello,

in short I want to explain my problem why I need NFS while installing the 
base system. As I mentioned in some mails before I want to use a
HP-workstation as fileserver for my Linux-Pc, because I have very small
diskspace. Because the way installing the base system on my PC and tha
moving several files to the HP did not work (nobody had any clue why ;-)),
I tried to solve my problem in this way

Boot using the resque-disk, initialize swap space, mounte /,
switch to another console (<Alt-F2>), cd target, mkdir usr and

mount -t nfs 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr usr

Susan G. Kleinmann was so kind to compile a kernel containing my network
adapter and NFS (thanks once more Susan :-)).
But the result was:

nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
nfs_read_super: not a socket
Mount 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr (type nfs) on usr: wrong filesystem type, or bad superblock an 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr

In 141.48.54.2:/etc/exports ist the line
/usr/local/linux

(former it was:
/usr/local/linux -access=141.48.54.130,root=141.48.54.130
but I changed it to the line above cause I thought when installing
debian the address of my PC isn't known)

The address 141.48.54.2 is our HP-workstation which should be work as
NFS-fileserver for some Linux-PC's. To verify this behaviour I tried to
mount:

mount -t nfs 141.48.54.130:/ usr

where 141.48.54.130 is another Linux-Pc in our network. I got the same
message. 

Is there any possibility to check the network adapter. May be the card
isn't working right. But while installing no ping is available.

I reported this to Susan and she answered:

> From: "Susan G. Kleinmann" <sgk@kleinmann.com>
> I haven't NFS'd in years, so I can't interpret the error messages.  I 
> would encourage you to report them to debian-user.  Meantime, you may
> be interested to know that I did not set these flags in your kernel:
> CONFIG_ROOT_NFS
>   If you want your Linux box to mount its whole root filesystem from
>   some other computer over the net via NFS (presumably because your
>   box doesn't have a harddisk), say Y. Read Documentation/nfsroot.txt
>   for details. Most people say N here.
> CONFIG_RNFS_BOOTP
>   If you want your Linux box to mount its whole root filesystem from
>   some other computer over the net via NFS and you want the IP address
>   of your computer to be discovered automatically at boot time using
>   the BOOTP protocol (a special protocol designed for doing this job),
>   say Y here. In case the boot ROM of your network card was designed
>   for booting Linux and does BOOTP itself, providing all necessary
>   information on the kernel command line, you can say N here.  If
>   unsure, say Y. Note that in case you want to use BOOTP, a BOOTP
>   server must be operating on your network. Read
>   Documentation/nfsroot.txt for details.
> CONFIG_RNFS_RARP
>   If you want your Linux box to mount its whole root filesystem from
>   some other computer over the net via NFS and you want the IP address
>   of your computer to be discovered automatically at boot time using
>   the RARP protocol (an older protocol which is being obsoleted by
>   BOOTP), say Y here. Note that in case you want to use RARP, a RARP
>   server must be operating on your network. Read
>   Documentation/nfsroot.txt for details.
> 
> I don't think any of these matter wrt the error message you are reporting.
> But I'll be happy to recompile if you think that's the right thing to do.

Does anybody think that one of this options (or other ones not mentioned
here) is necessary for doing this job?
 
> These are the network cards I have compiled:
> CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
> # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set
> # CONFIG_LANCE is not set
> CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y
> CONFIG_WD80x3=y
> CONFIG_ULTRA=y
> 
> What does your machine say when you boot up?  Does the dmesg output
> indicate that whatever network card you have is properly detected?
> For example, mine says:
> eth0: 3c509 at 0x300 tag 1, 10baseT port, address  00 20 af ea 92 09, IRQ 10.
> 3c509.c:1.07 6/15/95 becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
Mine says:
wd.c: v.1.10 9/23/94 Donald E. Becker
eth0: WD80x3 at 0x280, 00 00 C0 59 AD 67 WD8013,
      IRQ10, shared memory at 0xc8000-0xcbfff

It should be OK because my old kernel worked with the same message.

> BTW, I looked up your error messages on DejaNews, and didn't find anything.
> We must be doing something wrong.  If it were a bug in the program, someone
> else would have suffered from it by now.

Is someone out there who can figure out this problem.

Thanks for any help

   Andreas.


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If I run an applet with .au files with the appletviewer of the JDK:

ii  jdk-common      1.0.2-4        JDK (Java Development Kit)
ii  jdk-static      1.0.2-4        JDK (Java Development Kit) - Static

I can' t hear the sound.

ex:

$ appletviewer prova.html 
no audio device
audio player exit

How can I configure the appletviewer in order to hear .au files from an
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Subject: Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
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[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> of the connection, apparently).  So, I tried pinging <remoteIP> and not a 
> single packet came back (although I could see them getting sent out on the 
> modem by watching the lights).  Pinging <localIP> went fine, but didn't use 
> the modem. Pinging anywhere on the server's network other than <localIP>. 

I'm not sure that it's possible to ping over ppp.

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> Also, I tried dialing into a Cisco terminal server and all I got was "Could
> not determine local IP address". Again, I don't have this problem with Win95.
> 
> So, I have a few questions:
> 1 - Why is PPP this screwed up? Even if the "ppp_on_boot" thing *did* work,
>     why is there no mention of it in the instal program? There are a lot of
>     people out there who install Debian on their home systems and need to
>     use ppp in order to add/update packages via ftp. Shouldn't a little more
>     effort be made to make this a little simpler? I don't know of ANYONE
>     who looks forward to attempting ppp on Linux without a sense of dread.

Well, I don't look forward to it, but I'm not afraid of either.
> 
> 2 - How can I fix it in the short term? Does anyone know what I can do to
>     be able to see the remote network?

Not sure but turning on the debug flag for pppd can help some.

> 3 - I think I'm resigned to the fact that this figgin' ppp catastrophe isn't
>     going to get fixed unless I do it myself. I'm tenatively planning on
>     writing a set of scripts and ppp.options files to allow people to
>     easily configure their system as a dial-in server or as a home machine
>     that dials into an ISP. Does anyone want to offer suggestions, help
>     code, or help test?

I've had that "Could not determine local IP address". I fixed it by 
putting my own <local-ip>:<remote-ip> pair somewhere in the options file.
This gave me some other problems; I think it would connect but after a while
disconnect with some of error message in /var/log/debug. Then I added some
other options to pppd, I can't remember their exact names but it was something
like accept-ip-local and accept-ip-remote. Then it worked just fine.

By the way, I still have that proxyarp flag in the options file, so I always
get that error message about not being able to determine address. But my
ppp works anyway.

Oh; by the way again, I don't use ppp at bootup or kerneld. I start pppd by 
hand by executing pon as root whenever I want to go out on the net.

> 
> - Joe


Hopefully helpful,


							MartinS

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Is there a standard size for the icons that appear on menus generated by
the menu package? If not, and I couldn't find any mention in the docs, I
think we should give it some thought as it will make the system hold
together better. 

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In-reply-to: Message from CoB SysAdmin (Joe Emenaker) <jemenake@lab.busfac.calpoly.edu> 
   of Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:52:24 PST. <"Emg9W.0.a_5.nVG5p"@master.debian.org> 
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:26:08 +0000
From: "Oliver Elphick" <olly@lfix.co.uk>

In message <"Emg9W.0.a_5.nVG5p"@master.debian.org>, jemenake@lab.busfac.calpoly
.edu writes:
  >...
  >EVERY person I've talked to who has tried getting dial-up ppp going on
  >Debian has approached it like a heavyweight fighter preparing for a title
  >fight.
  >....
  >Destination	Gateway		Genmask		Flags Met Ref Use  Iface
  ><remoteIP>	0.0.0.0		255.255.255.255	  UH   0   0   0   ppp0
  >127.0.0.1	0.0.0.0		255.0.0.0	  U    0   0   1   lo
  >0.0.0.0		<remoteIP>	0.0.0.0		  UG   0   0   0   ppp0
  >
  >Which *seems* okay. I was a little concerned about not seeing a "default"
  >in there,

you used -n, so you got IP addresses, not words; 0.0.0.0 *is* "default".

  >...
  >So, I have a few questions:
  >1 - Why is PPP this screwed up?...

The configuration may be; there's nothing wrong with the program itself.


  >2 - How can I fix it in the short term? Does anyone know what I can do to
  >    be able to see the remote network?
  >...
I just started using Debian a week or so ago; I didn't use any Debian ppp
configuration however, so I can't comment on that.  I used my pre-existing
set-up (which admittedly cost me a lot of grief to get right).  This is
described at http://homepages.enterprise.net/olly/linux.ppp.html.

The only thing I had to change was to remove a default route command from
the startup scripts: /etc/init.d/network contained the line

 route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1

which set up my local ethernet as the default route and stopped my ppp 
scripts from setting up the ppp connection as default; removing this
line has had no ill effects.

These are the relevant files, for use with a Motorola 3400 28.8Kbd modem:

Chat script (all on one line) substitute appropriate values for <...>:
ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' '' AT OK-AT-OK AT\&F\\V4L2M1X4&C1&D2 OK AT
DT<telno> CONNECT '' ogin: <username> word: <password>

Options:
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/ppp.chat"
crtscts
debug
defaultroute
lock
modem
noipdefault

Start-up command:
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/cua0 38400 

Oliver Elphick                                      olly@enterprise.net
Isle of Wight                      http://homepages.enterprise.net/olly

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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Brian C. White wrote:

> I've been granted the position of "distribution manage" so I'd like to
> get underway with freezing Bo.  This was originally scheduled for tomorrow,
> but it'll take at least a week to get going.
> 
> Does anybody have any concerns that must be addressed before the freeze?
> Once frozen, only bug fixes will be allowed into the distribution.  Only
> under special circumstances will new code be allowed!

I'm currently working on a new ISDN utilities package. (There are new
upstream versions around for quite a while and a few bugs I should fix in
the package.) These packages should definitely go into 1.3. I'll upload
the new versions within the next days.


Thanks,

Chris

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I seem to have found the answer myself by setting squid up as proxy
behind the firewall with only one parent node, the fwtk gateway.

Michael

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>
>I'm running the fwtk www proxy (http-gw) on our firewall to be able to deny
>most java/javascript/activeX/... applets. On the other hand I'd love to use
>squid as a cache to reduce bandwidth. Is there any way to use both at the
>same time? I have set up my browser to only talk to the proxy (the direct
>connection is refused by the firewall) and I can use both programs as proxy,
>but not at the same time. That is I just don't seem to have the correct idea
>of how to set it up.
>
>Thanks for any bit of help
>
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[ I put all participants on the CC: header as I do not know the
current status of the list - I haven't got a message in 6 hours ]

Hi!

I sent a message to Steven L. Baur(currently main maintainer of
XEmacs) about the byte-code issue and the forthcoming XEmacs 19.15. His
answer makes things a lot easier for us, as we should not resolve
things now that may be moot in the near future. I do not know when
Emacs 19.35 will be released, plans are to release XEmacs 19.15 within
the next weeks.
So I have the following proposal to make regarding our problems:
   - Directories:
      /usr/share/emacs/common/  for all packages supporting any Emacs
      /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp/ for all packages supporting Emacs only
      /usr/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/ for all packages supporting XEmacs only
     note that it is quite easy to make any elisp file compatible with
     (note that I didn't say working on) any Emacs variant by
     bracketing the file with version checking. This can even easily
     be done by Debian maintainers. Everyone should try to achieve
     this. Maintainers of the emacs and xemacs package should append
     this directory to th default load path on Debian. Let's try it
     out, perhaps we'll end up having empty non-common sections.
   - No directory should be made for problems with versions of the
     same variant (i.e. conflicts of the kind of BBDB not working on
     XEmacs v20.* should _really_ be resolved by a version checking
     wrapper, if no working solution can be found).
   - packages that install a single elisp file should _not_
     byte-compile it unless there is a serious performance problem
     otherwise and install it in the common directory.
   - For now I propose to have separate packages for
     different variants until 19.35 and 19.15 are released. This will
     affect (at least) the elisp packages tm, auctex and bbdb.
     In the long run (i.e. once there is byte-code readability ensured
     again) I tend to have a single package for each of those in the
     common directory.

I'm really opposed to the proposal of Manoj to completely separate both
variants as most packages work fine on the elisp level with both
variants. If you are able to generate a <package>-emacs and a
<package>-xemacs the only problem with generating a <package> working
on both variants is a problem of the ability to read byte code
generated by the otehr variant. Once this is solved (and I hope it
will be - see below) there is no reason why we shouldn't have a single
package.

For the question whether xemacs should be bundled or not in the next
package, I propose to postpone this problem until both Emacs 19.35 and
XEmacs 19.15 are released. It might be either far easier to handle than
we think or nearly inpossible to use these packages.
Then we should talk again about this thing - if it's easy let's do it,
otehrwise we'll let it be.

	Helmut


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Date: 27 Feb 1997 03:08:12 -0800

[please forward this comment to the debian mailing list]

Helmut Geyer writes:

> Hello Steve!
> On the Debian linux mailing list we currently are discussing how to
> handle elisp packages that support both XEmacs and Emacs. A question
> that has to be solved is how to handle the different byte-codes right
> now. Will XEmacs 19.15 be able to read Emacs 19.34 byte-code?

Nope.  19.15 will be able to read Emacs 19.35 byte code thanks to Lars
Magne Ingebrigtsen, but 19.34 bytecode contains a fatal bug that
prevents (forever) XEmacs from being able to use it.  You can bypass
this bug by changing the minor version of XEmacs 19.15 to a number
above 28 but we would *strongly* prefer that you do not do so.
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Christian Schwarz (schwarz@monet.m.isar.de) wrote:
: We hope that this was the right decision and will make life easier for
: Debian's TeX users.

Yes, yes and yes !!!
I've been using tetex before I upgraded to debian (becaus of being tired
upgrading each new lib, prog ... by hand) and was disappointed about
the tex deliverd with debian, since I really loved tetex, so I love to
see tetex on debian!

Bye ... Rainer!
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On 27-Feb-97 Karl Ferguson wrote:
>At 01:00 PM 2/26/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:

>>2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived
>>   as working against people we should be working with?
>
>IMO no.  Who in the Linux world hasn't heard of Debian?  When a person
>decides to run Linux they basically have a a few coices; Debian, Redhat and
>Slackware - I can't think of any others that are as popular!  So if
>everyone knows or has heard that Debian is a Linux distribution we'll
>always be associated with linuxnet.

If some newbie on linux-newbie post question about which distribution to use,
they usually get Redhat or Slackware.  Seems like most linux users "heard" of
Debian, but doesn't know much about it. I think this is area that could use some
work, so other linux users can recommend Debian to newbies or other linux users.

Just a thought,
David

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On 27-Feb-97 Karl Ferguson wrote:
>At 01:00 PM 2/26/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:

>>2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived
>>   as working against people we should be working with?
>
>IMO no.  Who in the Linux world hasn't heard of Debian?  When a person
>decides to run Linux they basically have a a few coices; Debian, Redhat and
>Slackware - I can't think of any others that are as popular!  So if
>everyone knows or has heard that Debian is a Linux distribution we'll
>always be associated with linuxnet.

If some newbie on linux-newbie post question about which distribution to use,
they usually get Redhat or Slackware.  Seems like most linux users "heard" of
Debian, but doesn't know much about it. I think this is area that could use some
work, so other linux users can recommend Debian to newbies or other linux users.

Just a thought,
David

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Hi,

I'm sorry, but i'm used to use tcsh, mainly because of its emacs-like 
command line editor and file name completion. (And _not_ because tcsh 
programming is considered harmful! I program in perl)

There was some discussion about a fairly complete example database for
tcsh's complete. Maybe we can do better. 

It would be nice if each Debian package would add completion information
of its own commands to a central complete-database in there postist
scripts, a la `install-info'. 

Just a thought

---david

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>>>>> "JL" == James LewisMoss <dres@scsn.net> writes:

    JL: Here is my opinion on the matter.  Disk space is cheap, and although
    JL: it is a little more complicated for elisp package maintainers to deal
    JL: with it isn't too bad.

I don't consider disk space to be cheap :-), but it is more important to have
well working packages than to save some disk space.  

    JL: Here is my proposal:
        [...]
        
    JL: This is complex I admit, but it is the cleanest solution IMO.

    JL: Thoughts?

I agree completely with it.

    JL: instance calc.  This package actually works dandy with both
    JL: versions.  So it can be installed in
    JL: /usr/lib/emacs-common/site-lisp

Technical remark: calc needs patch to work with Emacs correctly.  Is
it the case of XEmacs too?

Milan Zamazal

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>>>>> "PT" == Philippe Troin <phil@fifi.org> writes:

    PT: /usr/lib/emacs/<version>/lisp GNU Emacs specific elisp
    PT: /usr/lib/xemacs/<version>/lisp XEmacs specific elisp
    PT: /usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/lisp Common elisp
    PT: /usr/lib/emacs/<version>/site-lisp Packages-added GNU emacs elisp
    PT: /usr/lib/xemacs/<version>/site-lisp Packages-added XEmacs elisp
    PT: /usr/lib/emacsen/<version>/site-lisp Packages-added common elisp

    [...]

    PT: The paths mentionned above might be changes obviously.

I think site-lisp directories shoudn't contain <version>, because:
- It is not possible to have installed two versions of one *Emacs
  package, so directory assignment is unique even without version
  number.
- After *Emacs upgrade all elisp packages had to be repackaged and
  users had to reinstall them only because correction of version
  number.

Milan Zamazal

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Hi Victor,

perhaps the command 'dmesg' is what you are looking for.

Regards,

	Andree
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On Feb 27, Michael Meskes wrote
> >> Also David, locales does conflict and replace with localebin, but only
> >> conflict with wg15-locale. Is that what you wanted?
> >
> >Please check your .deb file again.  Mine conflicts with both localebin
> >and wg15-locale.
> 
> Yes, both conflict. But locales does not replace wg15-locale. So I
> cannot install it except for adding a --force option or manually
> removing wg15.

Sorry, I mis-wrote.  My locales package (the only one I have built)
both conflicts AND replaces wg15-locale.  I just performed a reinstall
and locales does indeed automatically replace wg15-locale.  

Perhaps you have an old package installed that depends on wg15-locale
thereby preventing dpkg from automatically replacing it.  I checked my
available file before choosing the control fields I used and didn't
see any other packages referencing wg15-locale so I didn't think the
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Hi,

I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
booting
using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
boot=/dev/hda3
root=/dev/hda3
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
other=/dev/hda1
  label=MsDos
image=/vmlinuz
  label=Linux
  read-only

Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
the
basic question but I would appreciate any help
                                           Thanks
                                          George. 

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Hi Eugene,

ok, you said that telneting etc. from your box to another one work,
right? If you go to an other machine and try to telnet to your box, what
do you get?

If you get the following, your machine is known throughout the network:

telnet <yourhostname>
Trying <your ip number>

If you can reach the world beyond your own box the DNS, gateway and
other network settings are working, at least they don't cause your
problem. (Someone correct me, if I'm wrong.)

Again, I would really like you to post the bootup messages the way I
described in my previous mail.

Regards,

	Andree

PS: Thanks for the info and suggestion!

PS: Your mail account seems to be broken. The mail I sent to you can
back with a 'disk quota exceeded, could not write to
mailbox'-something-error. So, this goes to Debian-user only.
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Kenneth MacDonald <kenny@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> We're beginning to see more and more Motif programs linked against
> Lesstif in the distribution.  You could try substituting it in.  I
> notice there's a new release (0.77) of Lesstif for Debian.  Get the
> Lesstif source if you're on a dialup, since it's smaller - it compiles
> cleanly (did for me).
> 
> Lesstif aims to be source compatible to Motif 1.2 (binary
> compatibility may be an added bonus).  See http://www.hungry.org for
> more details on Lesstif.

Yes.  I did a preliminary compilation of WXWindows with lesstif 0.75 (haven't 
tried 0.76 or 0.77 yet) recently. It seems that lesstif has the whole API in 
place, for the compilation proceeded smoothly, but there are still some very 
noticeable problems when running the generated programs.  Anyway, I'll 
consider the possibility of releasing a lesstif version; it could be useful 
even despite the current problems.

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[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> Boot using the resque-disk, initialize swap space, mounte /,
> switch to another console (<Alt-F2>), cd target, mkdir usr and
> 
> mount -t nfs 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr usr
> 
> Susan G. Kleinmann was so kind to compile a kernel containing my network
> adapter and NFS (thanks once more Susan :-)).
> But the result was:
> 
> nfs warning: mount version older than kernel
> nfs_read_super: not a socket
> Mount 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr (type nfs) on usr: wrong filesystem type, or bad superblock an 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux/debian/usr
> 
> In 141.48.54.2:/etc/exports ist the line
> /usr/local/linux
> 
> (former it was:
> /usr/local/linux -access=141.48.54.130,root=141.48.54.130
> but I changed it to the line above cause I thought when installing
> debian the address of my PC isn't known)

Perhaps the server only can export the directories in the export file;
try mounting with "mount -t nfs 141.48.54.2:/usr/local/linux /mnt".
I really don't know a lot about nfs mounting, but trying won't hurt.

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> Is there any possibility to check the network adapter. May be the card
> isn't working right. But while installing no ping is available.

If you have another linux box running you could make a statically (or try 
with the dynamically) linked ping and copy it to a floppy and then mount 
that floppy on /dev/fd0 on the box you are trying to get connected.

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> > be interested to know that I did not set these flags in your kernel:
> > CONFIG_ROOT_NFS

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> > CONFIG_RNFS_BOOTP

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> > CONFIG_RNFS_RARP

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> > These are the network cards I have compiled:
> > CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
> > # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM is not set
> > # CONFIG_LANCE is not set
> > CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y
> > CONFIG_WD80x3=y
> > CONFIG_ULTRA=y

I think that those set of options is ok (including those that _wasn't_ 
in the kernel.

But I do wonder if you have nfs compiled into the kernel or as module 
or not at all?

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
>    Andreas.


Hopefully helpful,

							MartinS


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From:	oz@fishtech.u-net.com (Brian Skreeg)
To:	debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Cnews setup over Dial-up. (+Ghostscript)

	Hi Debian guru's,

	Having got smail setup correctly (thanks guys) I've now moved onto
Cnews. I have a static ip dial-up slip connection so I opted for the newsx
package, this depends on Cnews so that's installed as well.

Problem 1. Ghostscript.

	The various files in /etc/news are a trifle confusing and the man's
don't help much either. The Cnews guide is in postscript format so I
installed GV. GV refuses to read any ps files properly, it just displays
the following errors.

#gv error;

Error: /invalidfont in -dicttype-
Operand Stack:
	/Times-Roman@0	[/ascicircum /ascitilde /Scaron /Zcaron ....etc...etc..
Execution Stack:
	%interp_exit	--nostringval-- --nostringval-- ...repeated......etc...
Dictionary Stack:
	513/547 0/20 6/200 54/120
Ghostscript unrecoverale error exit code 1:

#end of gv error;

GSfonts is installed. GV installed without a hitch. Ghostview produces
similar errors. Hence, I can't read the cnews guide. :(

Problem 2.

	After much reading of man's and files etc... I still can't quite suss
out how to config the etc/news Cnews files.

#My details;

full hostname	fishtech.u-net.com  (static ip)
nntpserver		news.u-net.com
mailserver		mail.u-net.com
email address	oz@fishtech.u-net.com

What line would I put in my sys file to enable a feed to news.u-net.com?
I've tried experimenting with various setup's but I've been unable to get
newsx to talk to the server. 

At the moment I have this in my sys file;

ME:all/all::
news/u-net.com:all/all:FL:

running newsx -ddd news.u-net.com produces the following output.

#newsx output;

server: news.u-net.com spool: news.u-net.com
reading /var/lib/news/sys
skipping ME sys-entry
skiping sys-entry for news
reading /var/lib/news/active
active group demon.test disallowed by sys
active group u-net.test disallowed by sys
created LOCK: /var/spool/news/out.going/news.u-net.com/LOCKb
newsx: cannot open spool 'var/spool/news/out.going/news.u-net.com/togo:No such file or
directory
unlocked: /var/spool/news/out.going/news.u-net.com/LOCKb

#end

I created a dir in spool called news.u-net.com so it could get the lock and
there isn't any outgoing news in the spool cos my configs aren't working
write. When I post an article using tin then do a "cnewsdo newsrun" the
article is chucked in the local spool no problems but fails to appear for
porting outside no doubt due to the sys file being wrong.
	newsx also seems to skip the news.u-net.com sys entry hence disallowing
all the active groups. 

Problem 3:

	When playing around yesterday I ran newsrun and it done some stuff then
halted. I had to kill this process but found it had put on a lock on my
mailbox (/var/spool/mail/oz). I del'd the lock but now find my mailbox is
corrupted, even though smail can still deliver to it , Elm can't read it.
	A minor problem but yet another problem none the less. :)

As usual any help will be rewarded with loads of enthusiasm. :)

Ozzy,

Ozzy,
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pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> Firstly, debmake is a `runtime' type tool.  It runs the debstd script
> inside of the `rules' makefile.  This means that it can detect where
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I just don't understand why.  You can write your m4 macros in a way
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right now, just generate the code to do it later.

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Subject: dpkg can't handle multiple replaces (was: Freezing Bo)
From: Christoph Martin <martin@uni-mainz.de>
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dpkg has problems with installing packages which have multiple
replaces together with conflicts. The problem comes up with the
installation of tetex which is supposed to replace all the old tex
packages. 

> dpkg: regarding .../tex/tetex-base_0.4pl6-2.deb containing tetex-base:
>  tetex-base conflicts with bibtex
>   bibtex (version 0.99c-4) is installed.
>   bibtex provides bibtex and is installed.
> dpkg: error processing debian/unstable/binary-i386/tex/tetex-base_0.4pl6-2.deb (--install):
>  conflicting packages - not installing tetex-base
> dpkg: considering removing texbin in favour of tetex-bin ...
> dpkg: yes, will remove texbin in favour of tetex-bin.
> dpkg: regarding .../tex/tetex-bin_0.4pl6-4.deb containing tetex-bin:

or

>dpkg: considering removing texinfo in favour of tetex-base ...
>dpkg: yes, will remove texinfo in favour of tetex-base.
>dpkg: regarding ../tetex-base_0.4pl6-1_all.deb containing tetex-base:
> tetex-base conflicts with texidoc
>  texidoc (version 3.7-1) is installed.
>dpkg: error processing ../tetex-base_0.4pl6-1_all.deb (--install):
> conflicting packages - not installing tetex-base
>Errors were encountered while processing:
> ../tetex-base_0.4pl6-1_all.deb

All the packages that are to be removed are in the conflicts and in
the replaces section. But only the first item is considered to be
removed.

The only option is first to remove all the conflicting packages and
then install the new ones.

dpkg-1.4.0.6

C. Martin

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Hello,

Is is appropriate to hold until Sven gets the 1.2MB disks working again?

Thanx -- Greg.

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Martin Stromberg wrote:
> 
> [Klippa, klapp, kluppit]
> 
> I'm not sure that it's possible to ping over ppp.

i am. any tcp/ip protocol can be transmitted on ppp although speed
can be an issue.

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csmall@gonzo.triode.net.au writes:

> 
> Bruce Perens typed:
> > From: Kevin Dalley <kevin@aimnet.com>
> > > The updatedb cron.daily job runs "su -c command nobody", which works
> > > fine with /bin/sh as the login shell, but fails with /bin/true.
> > 
> > The reason is that "su" uses the login shell for the su-ed user from
> > /etc/passwd . I had users who should never have been able to log in
> > using /bin/true as a shell so that if somehow they did log in they'd
> > be logged out immediately (true's only function is to exit with 0 status). 
> > This broke "su", so I had to change those login shells to /bin/sh .
> 
> Can't you use "su -c command -s /bin/sh nobody" ?
> 

In theory, yes.  However, "-s" is not a standard su command line
argument, though it is available on our system.  I prefer to try a
command that will work with most su implementations

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Martin Stromberg wrote:
> 
> [Klippa, klapp, kluppit]
> 
> > of the connection, apparently).  So, I tried pinging <remoteIP> and not a
> > single packet came back (although I could see them getting sent out on the
> > modem by watching the lights).  Pinging <localIP> went fine, but didn't use
> > the modem. Pinging anywhere on the server's network other than <localIP>.
> 
> I'm not sure that it's possible to ping over ppp.

Oh my. If you really don't know that much about something please don't
risk 
spreading disinformation. ping is of course possible over ppp. About the
problem
though: you say "a single packet came back". How do you know? Did a
single IP
packet come back? A single PPP frame? Did you just see the TX LED light
up on
your modem? (Don't assume this means a packet got through.) Pinging
localIP is
fairly useless, although it does indicate that ppp is "up".

> [Klippa, klapp, kluppit]
> 
> > Also, I tried dialing into a Cisco terminal server and all I got was "Could
> > not determine local IP address". Again, I don't have this problem with Win95.
> >
> > So, I have a few questions:
> > 1 - Why is PPP this screwed up? Even if the "ppp_on_boot" thing *did* work,
> >     why is there no mention of it in the instal program? There are a lot of
> >     people out there who install Debian on their home systems and need to
> >     use ppp in order to add/update packages via ftp. Shouldn't a little more
> >     effort be made to make this a little simpler? I don't know of ANYONE
> >     who looks forward to attempting ppp on Linux without a sense of dread.
> 

In your Win95 connection profile do you specify "Server assigned IP
address" or
"Specify an IP address" in the settings page under "Server Type",
"TCP/IP Settings"?
If you're setting your IP in the Win95 profile, you'll also have to
specify it for
Linux as well.

My friend I'm sorry no one has yet made a nice install/setup program for
PPP but
there you have it. I reccommend you use diald, which will bring up the
PPP when you
want to use the net and will bring it back down after a specified
idle-time. Get
the latest diald package and let's work from there.

Personally, I'd like to put the time in to create a great X setup
program for PPP,
as well as for everything else, like user accounts, dial-in lines, etc.
Unfortunately
I don't have a lot of free time on my hands or I'd do it. I really think
that if
all these types of programs could be written, your average Win95 user
could install
and run Linux and we'd have helped society by freeing the less
knowledgable from the
chains of M$.

> >
> > 2 - How can I fix it in the short term? Does anyone know what I can do to
> >     be able to see the remote network?
> 
> Not sure but turning on the debug flag for pppd can help some.

To be specific, you need to include the word "debug" on the command line
to pppd or
in the /etc/ppp/options file. This will cause pppd to send detailed
information regarding
its communication with the peer (a packet trace, that is) to syslog,
which should
end up in /var/log/ppp.log. Attempt a connection and then email the
contents of the
debug output (packet trace) to this list so we can help.

> 
> > 3 - I think I'm resigned to the fact that this figgin' ppp catastrophe isn't
> >     going to get fixed unless I do it myself. I'm tenatively planning on
> >     writing a set of scripts and ppp.options files to allow people to
> >     easily configure their system as a dial-in server or as a home machine
> >     that dials into an ISP. Does anyone want to offer suggestions, help
> >     code, or help test?
> 
> I've had that "Could not determine local IP address". I fixed it by
> putting my own <local-ip>:<remote-ip> pair somewhere in the options file.
> This gave me some other problems; I think it would connect but after a while
> disconnect with some of error message in /var/log/debug. Then I added some
> other options to pppd, I can't remember their exact names but it was something
> like accept-ip-local and accept-ip-remote. Then it worked just fine.

It sounds like you need to specify your local IP, since the peer isn't
giving it
to you. Don't set the remote IP if you don't have to--this doesn't
really help you.
 
> By the way, I still have that proxyarp flag in the options file, so I always
> get that error message about not being able to determine address. But my
> ppp works anyway.

Proxyarp only makes sense on a machine with 1) an ethernet card and 2)
other hosts
which hang off that ethernet who'd like to be able to get to the machine
on the other
end of the PPP link. Don't use proxyarp unless both of these is true. (I
suspect the
machine you're dialing from only has a modem, no e-net card. This option
would be
much more usefully applied on the server side.)
 
> Oh; by the way again, I don't use ppp at bootup or kerneld. I start pppd by
> hand by executing pon as root whenever I want to go out on the net.
> 

Don't be a "pon". ;) Use diald, (unless you run a name daemon or
sendmail locally and
you don't want it bringing up the link with your say-so), and I'm sure
you'll find
it delightful.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 Andree Leidenfrost <leidenfrost@dkrz.de said (in part):

> if ping <hostname> is working in both directions, then I would say name
> service indeed is not your problem.

     Not necesssarily so!  On a recent installation of debian 1.2.4
from the CheapBytes CD, I had ppp working fine as root, but couldn't
get it to work for another user.  Popclient returned "Connection
refused" when it tried to query my ISP's mailserver.  "ping
machine.domain.name" worked fine, but "finger user@machine.domain.name"
returned "finger: machine: unknown host".

     I finally found that the problem was the permissions on either
the file /etc/resolv.conf or the directories didn't allow the user to
read it.  I can't understand why ping can work without an accessible
nameserver while finger can't, but making /etc/resolv.conf world
readable solved the problem.  Perhaps ping runs as root and finger
runs as the user that invoked it.

Bob



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     Unless you made the package it probably wouldn't suit your
preferences for prompts, aliases, etc.  I'm sure I wouldn't be happy
with someone else's customization.

     I keep a log of all my customizations, and keep the log and
copies of all profiles, .rc files, .emacs, etc. in a small partition
mounted on /local that isn't disturbed when I re-install.  When I was
running slackware, I had a shell script that copied in all of these
configuration files automatically, but I haven't gotten around to
doing it since I switched to debian.  Making a debian package out of
it would be a more elegant solution, and might be a good way of
learning how to make a debian package.

     Instead of a separate partition, you could keep such things on a
floppy, and use the floppy to set up your installations on new machines.

Bob

On 26 Feb 1997 Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> said (in part): 

I wonder if it would be possible to make a package that included a good
degree of the typical customizations? I have setup 3 debian machines right
from the ftp server in the past month and there are things I change right
off the bat, the prompt is one, the .inputrc (to include home/end keys)
some of the aliases, enable color ls etc

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 Martin Brundage wrote (in part)

>On Wed, 26 Feb 97 19:52:24 PST, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, I've been working with Debian systems for over a year now and I've
>>been able to get it to dial into my ISP about three times.
>
>Sorry to hear about your problems.  My experience has been somewhat the
>opposite of yours.  I recently installed Debian 1.2, and apart from =
>adding
>my ppp chat script and options file from my old distribution, the only
>file I needed to change (after adding it, because it was missing) was
>/etc/resolv.conf file, in which I put my ISP's nameservers' IP addresses.
>The rest of the /etc directory and the networking-related files were
>untouched, so I guess ppp doesn't need them for the things I do.

     You must make sure that at least one tab character (not blanks)
exists between the two columns in /etc/resolv.conf.  You must also
check permissions to make sure the users who will use ppp can access
/etc/resolv.conf.  

Bob

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Ahh.  That is an important datapoint.

It looks like you've got all the details covered; I'll add
/usr/share/emacs/common/ to what is searched by emacs19, and that
should cover my end of things.  Cool.
							_Mark_

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Martin Stromberg wrote:

> [Klippa, klapp, kluppit]
> 
> > of the connection, apparently).  So, I tried pinging <remoteIP> and not a 
> > single packet came back (although I could see them getting sent out on the 
> > modem by watching the lights).  Pinging <localIP> went fine, but didn't use 
> > the modem. Pinging anywhere on the server's network other than <localIP>. 
> 
> I'm not sure that it's possible to ping over ppp.
>
Hmmmm... I've been using ping over a ppp connection for some time now. It
seems to work fine.
 
> > Also, I tried dialing into a Cisco terminal server and all I got was "Could
> > not determine local IP address". Again, I don't have this problem with Win95.
> >
You should ask your ISP how to connect to ,well, your ISP, using Linux
over ppp. Different people have different expereinces because not all ISPs
were created equally. Usually what works in Win95 doesn't work necessarily
with the Linux setup... and I haven't figured out the cause yet.... It may
have to do with the passive/active nature of how pppd sends or receives
packets to get a reply...  perhaps someone with Win95 PPP knolwedge can
help us out... 

Will


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I am trying to install the following tetex packages
   1548580 Feb 24 09:04 tetex-base_0.4pl6-2.deb
   1482224 Feb 24 09:06 tetex-bin_0.4pl6-4.deb
     50188 Feb 24 09:06 tetex-dev_0.4pl6-4.deb
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I began trying to do this within dselect.  Because of conflicts with
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went ok then I removed the older tex-related packages that had been
marked for removal.  I noticed that a couple of macro packages seemed
to be missing.  According to dpkg -L they should have been installed
by tetex-extra.

I decided to remove all the tetex packages and re-install them.  My
reasoning was that by installing tetex first then removing the older
tex-related packages I may have inadvertently removed files that tetex
packages installed.

Removing the tetex packages and then trying to re-install fails in a
couple of the postinst scripts.  These scripts try to execute
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variable is not set.  I believe it may be intended to point at
/etc/texmf/texmf.cnf.  That file is listed in the output of "dpkg -L
tetex-base" but it does not appear to be installed by that package.

Because /usr/bin/texconfig is based on a dialog library, the
error messages fly off the screen before you can read them.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.  It would help if you sent e-mail
directly to me as well as to the list because I only receive the
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Chris Walker:
> Is there a standard size for the icons that appear on menus generated by
> the menu package? If not, and I couldn't find any mention in the docs, I
> think we should give it some thought as it will make the system hold
> together better. 

I agree. I've been meaning to come up with a proposal for icon sizes and
also for the set of colors that all icons in the menus should share. But I
haven't come up with anything concrete yet.

Here are some of the common sizes out there:

16x16 -- windows 95 size, I think.
32x32 -- standard win 3.11 size, so there are lots of icons out there in
         this size.
48x48 -- isn't this size used for afterstep/nextstep? There are some very nice 
         icons in this size, but they tend to use lots of colors. There's
         also a bit of a copyright problem -- you can't use nextstep's icons. 
         (I hear they are being removed from afterstep.)

I think we can just pick a maximum size and anything that size or smaller is
allowed.

Something to bear in mind is that if these icons will be appearing on
the menus, only so many of them can fit onscreen at once. If we pick 32x32
icons, then a maximum of 15 icons are going to fit on a menu that extends
down a 640x480 screen. I think this disqualifies the 48x48 icons -- they are
just too big, we already have menus with more than 10 items in them.

I favor 32x32 or smaller icons myself. I think this is a reasonable size,
not too small to tell what the icon is, small enough for a good number of
them to fit on a menu, and there are already many icons of this size
available.

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Paul Serice <ugs@laci.net> writes:

> After upgrading to bash 2.0, I was getting the same error as everyone else
> when sysklogd started up.  So, I upgraded.  When I installed the package,
> I got the error that is reproduced below.  I am wondering if my system is
> misconfigured or if the package has a small bug.

You must also upgrade to the dpkg in unstable, 1.4.0.8, to fix the
problem with update-rc.d.


Guy

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> On Wed, 26 Feb 97 19:52:24 PST, you wrote:
> 
> ... my ppp chat script and options file from my old distribution, the only
> file I needed to change (after adding it, because it was missing) was
> /etc/resolv.conf file, in which I put my ISP's nameservers' IP addresses.

It was missing because this file is not part of any package, it is created
by the installation script if you say Yes to "Are you connected to a
network?" at installation time.

E.-

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> I'm not sure that it's possible to ping over ppp.

Why not? When you are connected via PPP, your host becomes part of the
Internet (if there are no routing restrictions like firewalls, or miss-
configured routers, or you are not using IP masquerade), and you get a
valid IP address.

Regards,

Eloy.-

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As this is a debian list proper, I would appreciate
if this discussion concerning RSA be kept to private
email. Afterall it is not really a pressing issue,
in fact, it is boring. -Walter

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Debian mailing list member wrote:

> There was some discussion about a fairly complete example database for
> tcsh's complete. Maybe we can do better. 
> 
> It would be nice if each Debian package would add completion information
> of its own commands to a central complete-database in there postist
> scripts, a la `install-info'. 

Exists in tcsh 6.06-12 /usr/doc/examples/tcsh/complete.tcsh (I
uploaded it about 2 days ago to the `unstable' distribution).

Vadik.

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On 26 Feb 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> =09I am thinking that a ``compiler'', as it has been dubbed, may
>  well be a better solution than an enhanced debstd. And yes, there are
>  two modes to this compiler, an init mode that does debmake like
>  stuff, and an update that injects/updates debstd like stuff.
>=20
> =09It does not have to parse the debian/rules makefile, since the
>  rules injected would be an integral part of the Makefile (I think we
>  can make this simple, and user configurable as well, using multiple
>  conditional includes).

 The only advantage of making it a compiler is that is independent from
the installed version of the tool. That could be easily solved by defining
a well known interface to the utilities.

 I don't see the point in making it a compilerm. It may look nicer, it's
like Autoconf... but Autoconf has a different goal. Autoconf can't be an
interpreter because one can't count on having autoconf installed on every
machine. Then it would be necesary to include a big script that test for
everything.  Autoconf provides a mean to strip this huge script and only
test what the package needs to test.=20

 But here, Debian packages are all built in a common environment. And we
may require certain uitilities to be there at the moment of the building.

 I think that creating utilities is a more naturall way to handle this.

 I've read this argument:
`With a script compiler you can see and edit the results'... Come on!!
Have you ever edited `configure'? All changes would be lost when you
run autoconf again..!

Nicol=E1s Lichtmaier.-
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George,

Try changing

 boot=/dev/hda3

to 

 boot=/dev/hda

since you want to write the boot loader to the master boot record of
the first hard disk (hda) not the 3rd partition of the first hard disk.

You also probably need a table= entry for Dos...

Here is what I have for linux and dos...
(note this is from an old Slackware distribution...)

boot = /dev/hda
delay = 50
vga = normal    # force sane state
ramdisk = 0     # paranoia setting
#
# Linux
#
image = /vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hdb1
  label = linux
  read-only
#
# DOS
#
other = /dev/hda1
  label = dos
  table = /dev/hda

Hope this helps,
Bernt.

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:15:29 +0000 (GMT)
> From: G. Kapetanios <gk205@cus.cam.ac.uk>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Lilo query
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting
> using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
> MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
> without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
> the
> basic question but I would appreciate any help
>                                            Thanks
>                                           George. 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> George Kapetanios
> Churchill College
> Cambridge, CB3 0DS              
> U.K.                            E-Mail: GK205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 


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> Maarten Boekhold writes:
> > I couldn't install the new perl-packages (5.007-?) and bash2.0, because 
> > of a pre-dependency on libdl1, which is not available (at least not to 
> > me). Also couldn't find a package that provides this.
> 
> One user here has reported exactly the same with rex-fixed.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3

Try changing the boot line to:
boot=/dev/sda
without an actual partition number, so it'll install itself on the MBR. If
you ever need to back out of that you need to run fdisk/mbr in DOS. Leave
the rest of the file the way it is.

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At 15:15 27-2-97 +0000, G. Kapetanios wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
>booting
>using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
>program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
>boot=/dev/hda3
>root=/dev/hda3
>compact
>install=/boot/boot.b
>map=/boot/map
>vga=normal
>delay=20
>other=/dev/hda1
>  label=MsDos
>image=/vmlinuz
>  label=Linux
>  read-only
>
>Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
>MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
>without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
>the
>basic question but I would appreciate any help

You might want to change boot=/dev/hda3 into boot=/dev/hda and you will
have to add the 'prompt' line.

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Hi,

Having benefited greatly from this list before, I do not doubt for a 
moment that someone will know the answer to this:

Does Linux read/write to the new Win95 Fat32 filesystem?

thanks in advance.

-alex

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> boot=/dev/hda3


I think, this will fix your problem:
 boot=/dev/hda



Ioannis Tambouras 
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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting
> using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
> MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
> without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
> the
> basic question but I would appreciate any help
>                                            Thanks
>                                           George. 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> George Kapetanios
> Churchill College
> Cambridge, CB3 0DS              
> U.K.                            E-Mail: GK205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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Hi,
>>"Nicol=E1s" =3D=3D Nicol=E1s Lichtmaier <nick@feedback.com.ar> writes:

Nicol=E1s> On 26 Feb 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

>> I am thinking that a ``compiler'', as it has been dubbed, may well
>> be a better solution than an enhanced debstd. And yes, there are
>> two modes to this compiler, an init mode that does debmake like
>> stuff, and an update that injects/updates debstd like stuff.
>> 
>> It does not have to parse the debian/rules makefile, since the
>> rules injected would be an integral part of the Makefile (I think
>> we can make this simple, and user configurable as well, using
>> multiple conditional includes).

Nicol=E1s> The only advantage of making it a compiler is that is
Nicol=E1s> independent from the installed version of the tool. That
Nicol=E1s> could be easily solved by defining a well known interface to
Nicol=E1s> the utilities.

=09 The tool should not be required to build a package from the
  sources. I should be able to download the sources, and compile,
  without having this tool in the ``source dependencies''. This, apart
  from version independence, is a good technical requirement, and is
  not impossible to implement.

Nicol=E1s> I don't see the point in making it a compilerm. It may look
Nicol=E1s> nicer, it's like Autoconf... but Autoconf has a different
Nicol=E1s> goal. Autoconf can't be an interpreter because one can't
Nicol=E1s> count on having autoconf installed on every machine.

=09 Autoconf is a compiler, yes. But our tool is not. So don't
  restrict us by autoconf's failures. We should not require autoconf
  to be ubiquitously installed. We should also not insist on the new
  tool to be installed to build a package that was created with this
  tool. 


Nicol=E1s> Then it would be necesary to include a big script that test
Nicol=E1s> for everything.  Autoconf provides a mean to strip this huge
Nicol=E1s> script and only test what the package needs to test.

=09 Why has this degenrated into discussion of autoconf's
  blemishes? 

Nicol=E1s> But here, Debian packages are all built in a common
Nicol=E1s> environment. And we may require certain uitilities to be
Nicol=E1s> there at the moment of the building.

=09 But requiring the debmake replacement tool is not, and should
 not, be required. It is not now, and we are trying to make package
 build easier, not add a lot of extra requirements gratituously.

Nicol=E1s> I think that creating utilities is a more naturall way to
Nicol=E1s> handle this.

=09 I do not quite follow this statement.

Nicol=E1s> I've read this argument: `With a script compiler you can see
Nicol=E1s> and edit the results'... Come on!! Have you ever edited
Nicol=E1s> `configure'?

=09 That is autoconf's problem. If ever we rewrite autoconf, that
  would be very valid. We should make our compiler output easier to
  edit. Remember, this *is* a design goal for us. It may not have
  been one for autoconf developers. Different tool, different goals. 

Nicol=E1s> All changes would be lost when you run autoconf again..!

=09 Again, that is _autoconf_. Our tool should be required not to
 blow away user changes. 

      This is why I have been resisting being drawn in too deep into
 implemetation issues: we tend to loose the forest for the trees.

     I'll be posting a summary of suggestions that I have compiled
 from the list as soon as I'm sure  the lists are stable again.

      manoj
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Ok what does this mean? 

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and may God Bless you
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Date: 27 Feb 1997 15:41:57 -0600
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Hi,
>>"Helmut" == Helmut Geyer <Helmut.Geyer@IWR.Uni-Heidelberg.De> writes:
:
Helmut> Directories:
Helmut> /usr/share/emacs/common/ for all packages supporting any Emacs
Helmut> /usr/lib/emacs/site-lisp/ for all packages supporting Emacs only
Helmut> /usr/lib/xemacs/site-lisp/ for all packages supporting XEmacs only

	Me Likum. (Didn't think version numbers were needed or
 desirable). 

Helmut> I'm really opposed to the proposal of Manoj to completely
Helmut> separate both variants as most packages work fine on the elisp
Helmut> level with both variants. If you are able to generate a
Helmut> <package>-emacs and a <package>-xemacs the only problem with
Helmut> generating a <package> working on both variants is a problem
Helmut> of the ability to read byte code generated by the otehr
Helmut> variant. Once this is solved (and I hope it will be - see
Helmut> below) there is no reason why we shouldn't have a single
Helmut> package.

	Yes.  But that means that some package that can work for both
 variants can only be uploaded by a maintainer that has both variants
 (or all 3, soon, when XEmacs 20 joins the circus). 

     If we have separate Funky-xemacs and Funky-emacs, then they could
 be maintained by different people (think of the m68k and alpha
 people; I am thinking of something similair for packaging add-ons for
 emacsen), one maintainer for each variant.

	This decision probably has to be made on a package by package
 basis, and as long as we have hte three directories as Helmut
 said, we don't have to decree that there shall be one package
 residing in /usr/share/emacs/common/ ormultiple packages in 
 /usr/lib/x?emacs/site-lisp/.

	I do not feel strongly on this subject at all, I just thought
 I'd mention this wile we are discussing it.

     Oh, anybody interested in Quassia Gnus? I could package it up for
 experimental, if there is enough interest. (I don't have XEmacs on my
 system so I can't even volunteer on my own unless we allow
 qgnus-emacs as a package, without requiring me to upload
 qgnus-xemacs, which I can't).

	manoj
-- 
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  everyday experience. --anonymous
Manoj Srivastava               <url:mailto:srivasta@acm.org>
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I have mine booting NT 4.0, which is a similar process.  You need to have 
the a line with the word "prompt" on it.  That will call the lilo prompt 
so you can choose your os.  Here is what mine lilo.conf looks like.

boot=/dev/sda
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
prompt
delay=30
root=/dev/sda3
  image=/vmlinuz
  label=Linux
other=/dev/sda1
  label=nt
  table=/dev/sda

My sda is your hda (I have scsi harddrives).  Seeing that it 
automatically goes into dos, use a resque floppy to boot linux.  You can 
mount your linux parition then and edit the lilo.conf and rerun lilo -C 
/etc/lilo.conf.  Hope this helps.
Dennis

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting
> using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
> MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
> without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
> the
> basic question but I would appreciate any help
>                                            Thanks
>                                           George. 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> George Kapetanios
> Churchill College
> Cambridge, CB3 0DS              
> U.K.                            E-Mail: GK205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 

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>>>>> "G" == G Kapetanios <gk205@cus.cam.ac.uk> writes:

    G> Hi,

    G> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have
    G> been booting using the boot disk. However I decided to try
    G> using lilo. So I got the program by nfs. I created the
    G> following script for lilo.conf 

    G>	boot=/dev/hda3 
    G>	root=/dev/hda3

[snip]

Try

	boot=/dev/hda

This will install lilo on the master boot record of the disk. It would
seem that at the moment the MBR is just handing off to DOS.

Hope that helps,

Graeme

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I think the problem is that "su" should use $SHELL or /bin/sh if that's
not set, and not even look at the default shell of the user you are
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	Bruce

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! > > > The updatedb cron.daily job runs "su -c command nobody", which works
! > > > fine with /bin/sh as the login shell, but fails with /bin/true.
! > > 
! > > The reason is that "su" uses the login shell for the su-ed user from
! > > /etc/passwd . I had users who should never have been able to log in
! > > using /bin/true as a shell so that if somehow they did log in they'd
! > > be logged out immediately (true's only function is to exit with 0 status). 
! > > This broke "su", so I had to change those login shells to /bin/sh .
! > 
! > Can't you use "su -c command -s /bin/sh nobody" ?
! > 
! 
! In theory, yes.  However, "-s" is not a standard su command line
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I know it's not a Debian quetion, but I don't have access
to Usenet, and don't know where I can ask for this.

When I search for "League for Programming Freedom" in
Altavista, Infoseek, Yahoo! etc., they all send me to

	http://www.lpf.org/

But this host hasn't a DNS entry! Anyone know their IP
address, or where can I find these guys? I was trying
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and nothing happens... :-(

Thanks in advance.

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> How about a package that would depend on tools such as menu
> and friends that would configure a system - it could be
> called 'configure' or, to stay in your analogy of bones,
> "flesh". (or "flash"). Or maybe not depend on packages at
> all, but determining dynamically what packages are on the
> system and present defaults accordingly.
> 
> This package would:
(...)

*All* of this, except those things about default prompts,
are done by the LinuxConf project, a very cool system manager
for Linux. See at:

	http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/linuxconf/

It seems that someone is packaging LinuxConf. This software can
also take care of the Linux's boot process, but the Debian
developers seems don't know about it... :-(

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting
> using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has to be THIS before it can boot. Why? Because when you turn on the
computer, the BIOS looks at hda1 before all the other drives. Your BIOS
may have the ability  to boot off of hda3, but unless you  do this, or you
tell lilo to use /dev/hda1, Lilo won't install on the boot disk. 
>
label=MsDos > image=/vmlinuz >   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
> MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
> without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
> the
> basic question but I would appreciate any help
>                                            Thanks
>                                           George. 

Will


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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Joseph Skinner wrote:

> Hi 
> 
> I just tried to install the libg++27 package and found that it seems to 
> be broken to the point of being unusable.
> 
> It reports that it has installed files that it never installs and only 
> installs links to those files.
> 
> Is there a working version of this package.
> 
> I've tried libg++27-dev_2.7.2.1-6.deb and libg++27-dev_2.7.2.1-8.deb 
> and they both have this problem.
Don't you have to install libg++  (the regular version) BEFORE you install
the development package? The development package installs a couple of
symlinks so that ld will work along with a couple header files.
I've installed the packages  without problems.

> 
> Joe.
> 
> ps I've checked the contents of the packages and the required files are 
> not there although they claim to have been installed
The symlinks have to do with ld. Try compiling a program without the .so
symlinks, and see how far you get :)
I'm not quite sure if this is a dependency problem? 

Will

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Hello,
  one of my Debian systems shows a strange behavior about network.
After I upgraded it with some packages taken from Debian 1.2.7, I can no
more login, by rlogin, to it from another full 1.2.2 system.
System isn't fully Debian 1.2 nor pre1.3.  It's a 1.1 partially updated to
1.2 for most of the standard packages ;-)

> rlogin fmurr.polytechnique.fr 
fmurr.polytechnique.fr: Address already in use

(fmurr is my partially upgraded system and I try to login from a Debian-1.2.2
system).

Hopefully telnet doesn't have this problem.  It works without any trouble.
However ftp is also broken:

> ftp fmurr.polytechnique.fr
Connected to fmurr.polytechnique.fr.
421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
ftp>

Packages upgraded are:
   netbase to 2.09-1
   netstd to 2.12-1.
I also run libc5 5.4.20-1 if it can help.

Furthermore, I have had to reboot it few hours after upgrade because ncftp
segfaulted each time I tried to use it :-(
I also upgraded ncftp to 2.4.2-1 before the reboot but it didn't resolved this
problem just changed error message from "segfault" to "Illegal instruction" ;-(
I ran gdb to trace the error and found it came from getsockname function in
libc.
However I have no idea how to fix this problem.

It seems there is a bug either in the network packages or libc, but I don't
have access to previous versions of these package to do a test.
Any pointer?

PS: I can rlogin from SunOS or Solaris as well as another Debian 1.1 box
    (running libc 5.4.13, netbase 2.06-1, netstd 2.08-1) so it seems this
    is a problem with recent package updates.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> 
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
prompt			<----------------------- add this
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
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On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Nils Rennebarth wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, David Puryear wrote:
> >If anyone finds way to make java work without causing bus error, please let me
> >know.
> Did you try out using old version of the pixmap library?
> 
> I have libXpm.so.4.6 in /usr/lib/netscape/lib, and a symbolic link
> libXpm.so.4 pointing to it. Then I start netscape with
> 
>   LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/netscape/lib/libXpm.so.4 MALLOC_CHECK_=0 \
>   exec /usr/lib/netscape/netscape "$@"

Hmm.  NetScape Messanger still crashes.  It crashes on Win3.11 too,
but only when trying IMAP.  I have it set up for POP which works fine
on 3.11.  Everything else is running great (and not too slow I must
say -- I was expecting worse)  Well, actually I haven't tried java
or Collabra yet.  Composer works, though.

It may be that my ld.so does not seem to support ELF LD_PRELOAD
anymore.  The manpage calls it an "a.out" ld.so and only mentions
LD_AOUT_PRELOAD.  I take this to mean that ELF binaries no longer 
need ld.so, but how do I get my libXpm.so.4.6 to load and override
the definitions in the other so's?

All crashes have been "bus error"s.

Also, NetScape takes about 5 minutes to start if you have
mime-support installed.  It seems to run /bin/sh for every entry
in /etc/mailcap and it doesn't like what it finds in there at all.
Eventually after spewing a bunch of error messages, it settles down and
runs.  I've had to temporarily delete /etc/mailcap to make it bearable.

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>> However, there's no way for a `autoconf'-type tool to know where these
>> things go automatically, unless it can somehow guess them from reading
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>
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All I mean is that in order to know what the Makefile installs, you
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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the program by nfs. I
> created the following script for lilo.conf

> boot=/dev/hda3
> root=/dev/hda3

[snip]

> But nothing happened and Msdos started without the lilo
> prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for the basic
> question but I would appreciate any help

Yeah, the question is basic for those who know the answer.  You
installed LILO on the Linux (/dev/hda3) partition boot sector, not on
the MBR (/dev/hda).  So run either MS-DOS or Linux fdisk and change
the bootable partition to /dev/hda3.  Then reboot and may God be with
you.

Vadik.

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
> I can't understand why ping can work without an accessible
> nameserver while finger can't, but making /etc/resolv.conf world
> readable solved the problem.  Perhaps ping runs as root and finger
> runs as the user that invoked it.

Exactly.  Ping (and traceroute, incidentally) must be setuid
root in order to send ICMP packets.

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Jens B. Jorgensen writes:
> Personally, I'd like to put the time in to create a great X setup program
> for PPP...

Not X.  Do that and you'll just have people who can't get ppp up because
they can't get X up, and can't get help with X because they can't get ppp
up.  Give them a simple menu with a modest number of choices, one of which
is "I'm a guru with a big hairy network.  Get out of my way and let me do
it myself".

It seems to me that most such setup programs try to be too general, with a
bias toward the most complex systems.  That is backwards.  Those most
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systems.  The guys with the hairy setups are probably gurus, and your setup
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  o  socks

I have sent several notes to Mr. Lewis but have received no replies.
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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Paul Haggart wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote:
> 
> > This is an unofficial release, but seems to have a number of useful
> > features, and is updated more often.  Could we get this packaged?
> 
>   If the tin package has been abandoned, I'd like to volunteer to package
> it.  I compile all the new unoff versions here (privately) anyway, so it's
> no big stretch for me to debianize it.

	Asked Kenny Wickstrom  (the current maintainer of tin), and he told 
he's overworked and he's willing to give away the package. So I guess you 
can take it. (please email him before to do so)

	Cordialement,

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On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote:

> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I
> got the program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf


> boot=/dev/hda3

This line puts the LILO boot record on the boot record of partition
/dev/hda3 rather than on the Master Boot Record (MBR) for /dev/hda

For this to work, you must have the mbr package installed, which
installs an MBR which will work with LILO setup like this.

So, your choices are:

    1.  install the mbr package and let it overwrite the disk's MBR.
    2.  change lilo.conf so that 'boot=/dev/hda'.

You'll probably need to boot with the Rescue floppy before you can do
either of these :-)

Before you change anything, however, read the documentation for LILO and
the mbr package. These are useful, but potentially dangerous tools.

> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it
> added MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and
> Msdos started without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something
> more ??. Sorry for the basic question but I would appreciate any help

Craig

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On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 J.R.Goncalves@reading.ac.uk wrote:

> Will a more updated version of mc be on time for Debian 1.3?
> The present Debian one is still mc-3.2.1 compared to the
> 3.5.18.

	I emailed its maintainer (Fernando Alegre <alegre@debian.org>)
about 1 week ago about it, and still have no reply from him.

	Due to the fact this package has 16 reported bugs, some of them 
outstanding since 300 days, I think a bugfix release is welcome...

<QA Manager Mode ON>
	Is there someone willing to do it? (I'll try to take care of this if 
no one volunteer before this WE)
<QA Manager Mode OFF>

	Cordialement,

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Scott,

The message "Nothing to get" simply means that dselect found the package
already on your system.  Go ahead and install and it should work.  Then
you'll be give the option to delete the package file.

--Bob

Scott Stanley wrote:
> 
> I was just trying to download and install the lprng package from stable
> using dselect 1.4.0.7 with the ftp Access method.  Basically, I went into
> Select, and selected the package lprng (I got the dependencies window
> saying lprng recommended magicfilter, but I did not select magicfilter).
> 
> The select menu item for lprng looks like;
> 
>   _* Opt net      lprng       <none>    2.4.2-1   lpr/lpd printer spooling
> 
> When I exit (pressing Enter) and Install, I get
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>    Processing status file...
> 
>    Processing Package files...
>     stable...
>     contrib...
>     non-free...
> 
>    Constructing list of files to get...
> 
>    Approximate total space required: 0k
>    Available space in ../../../../../dosc/Debian/1.2: 235632k
>    Nothing to get.
>    Processing downloaded files...(for corrupt/old/partial)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Nothing to get???  If I go back into the Select option after this aborted
> attempt, it still says I want to install lprng, just like is shown
> above.  Seems like I must be doing something silly, I just can't figure
> out what....
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Scott

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Robert D. Hilliard writes:
> Unless you made the package it probably wouldn't suit your preferences
> for prompts, aliases, etc.  I'm sure I wouldn't be happy with someone
> else's customization.

Such a package (better yet, a choice of several) would be great for new
users who don't have any preferences yet.
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G. Kapetanios wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a debian system at my office . Since I set it up I have been
> booting
> using the boot disk. However I decided to try using lilo. So I got the
> program by nfs. I created the following script for lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
       ^^^^^^^^^
Change this to /dev/hda
run lilo and reboot.  This will install the boot record properly.  BTW
you may want to cd to /boot and run lilo -u /dev/hda3 if there is a file
called boot.0303 in /boot.  That will restore the boot sector of hda3
with its original contents which were overwritten when you ran lilo with
your current lilo.conf file.
  
> root=/dev/hda3
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> other=/dev/hda1
>   label=MsDos
> image=/vmlinuz
>   label=Linux
>   read-only
> 
> Thn I run /sbin/lilo Everything seemed fine the program said that it added
> MsDos and Linux and so I rebooted . But nothing happened and Msdos started
> without the lilo prompt. Should I have done something more ??. Sorry for
> the
> basic question but I would appreciate any help
>                                            Thanks
>                                           George.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> George Kapetanios
> Churchill College
> Cambridge, CB3 0DS
> U.K.                            E-Mail: GK205@hermes.cam.ac.uk
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FYI here's a copy of my lilo.conf (note that I have hda4 as my root):

boot=/dev/hda
root=/dev/hda4
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=0
#read-only
#
other = /dev/hda1
  table = /dev/hda
  label = win95
image=/vmlinuz
  label=debian
image = /vmlinuz.old
  label = linux.old
image = /vmlinuz.bkp
  label = linux.bkp
image = /vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hda3
  label = linux

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Hi, I'm having some trouble installing teTeX. I did solve this; I'm
reporting this mainly because people upgrading from 1.2 to 1.3 are likely
to encounter this, too.

Using dselect one finds that teTeX has replaced all the TeX files in
Debian, but when installing files one gets for example:

dpkg: regarding .../tex/tetex-extra_0.4pl6-2.deb containing tetex-extra:
 tetex-extra conflicts with kpathsea
  kpathsea (version 2.6-2) is installed.
  kpathsea provides kpathsea and is installed.

The obvious solution is to remove all TeX files conflicting with teTeX
before installing teTeX, but this is not "user friendly", "nice", "cool",
etc.

When removing latex (using deselect) one gets:

Removing latex ...
Removing latex format(s) using install-fmt-base(8)
/var/lib/dpkg/info/latex.prerm: install-fmt-base: command not found
dpkg: error processing latex (--remove):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
Building new latex format(s) using install-fmt-base(8)
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127

The wierd thing is that "dpkg --remove latex" works...

Also, LyX recommends latex, but none of the teTeX packages "provides" it
(it is *included* in teTeX-base, I think). And there are similar problems
with xypic, and stuff like that.

Cheers,

		Marcelo




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I too am dubious about the "compiler" form of deb-make replacement.
The problem is that it does not catch up as policy changes. It would
be very difficult to make a "compiler" form of rules builder that would
automaticaly incorporate policy changes into existing packages as
deb-make often does. Once you edit the generated script, you don't want
to send it back through the tool again and lose your changes.

I would prefer to see a run-time hueristic something like debstd with
much more fine control over overrides.

	Thanks

	Bruce
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