Yes, they realize it is important to upgrade their packages to ELF. Some of them have not been able to upgrade their own systems to ELF, and some are busy. One of the developers did about 40 packages that belonged to other people on his own. We will get them done. Bruce -- Bruce Perens <Bruce@Pixar.com> Pixar Animation Studios Toy Story: > US$177M domestic box office receipts and an Oscar so far.