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> Subject: failure notice
> On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Bill Bumgarner wrote:
>
> This message was definetelly not appropriate for
> debian-devel@lists.debian.org.
>
> I even do not know if it is for debian-users@lists.debian.org.
> Is there still a debian-talk list?
>
>
> > I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is
> > still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.
>
> This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated
> from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware)
>
>
> > The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating.
>
> Yes this is also true. There is now orthogonal user interface.
>
> > Text fields between applications do not work the same. One is not
> > guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields. Some fields must
> > have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't.
>
> This is due to different toolkits.
>
> > There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of.
>
> This can be handelt via sockets,fifos....
>
> [lot of stuff about deficiencies of X11 based desktops]
>
> !! There is a solution up and coming !!
>
> Have look at the kde project.
>
> You will find kde mirrors at the following locations:
> ftp://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/kde/ <-- primary site
> ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/kde/
> ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/linux/kde/
>
> WWW info can be found at:
> http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/ettrich/kde.txt
> http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/index.html
> http://www.zws.com/kde/
> http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~cooperb/kde/style.html
>
> There is a nice screenshot of an already working kde (kool desktop
> environment)
>
> http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz
>
>
> We already do have:
> kcalc a nifty kde calculator with hex, dec, oct, bin
> kclock a simple analog kde clock
> kfm the kde filemanager (also handles URLs and tar)
> kmines a kde minesweeper clone
> kpat a kde solitaer clone
> colia a kde draw program which shall replace xfig/tgif
> kMix a kde mixer for your soundcard
> kterm a kde replacement for xterm
> libkde a configuration class library
> kpopup a kde extension to Qt
> progress a kde extension to Qt
> kwm a kde windows manager
> acli a little command line interface
>
> Soon to come
>
> kLyX a kde version of the famous WYSIWYM LaTeX based textprocessor
> ktetris a kde version of tetris (we've been all waiting for :-))
>
>
> Yours,
> -- martin
>
> BTW: Who wants to write a dpkg based installer for kde.
>
>
> // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany //
> // Email: konold@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de //
> Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades
> -- Edwin Huffstutler <ehuff@sedona.intel.com> --
>
> Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os !
> Worked for me all the times.
> -- Linus Torvalds --
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