I had an interesting few days "upgrading" to an all ELF v1.1 system, mostly there now and learnt heaps, I think. At one point I got this idea of how the word "gnu" could fit onto the end of the word "debian" so while I was stuck with only DOS, I did some 3d renders and came up with this. Comments, either way, welcome. http://www.ion.com.au/linus -- Mark Constable (+61 7 55275724) mailto:markc@ion.com.au http://www.ion.com.au/linus/markc