Am 24.07.2016 um 17:47 schrieb Colin Watson: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 01:38:25AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: >> I referenced in my other reply that the network.target ordering has just >> been added recently (in v230). So it is possible that previously there >> was still an issue on shutdown. This is fixed now. > > Do you plan to update jessie with this fix? I can do that. Unfortunately I've already filed the jessie-pu bug for systemd a couple of hours ago (#832336, for 8.6), but I could update the pu request accordingly. I see what I can do, otherwise it will be in the next stable point release, i.e 8.7 > dependencies. Unfortunately there's no good way to say "Depends: > libpam-systemd, but only if systemd is pid 1". Right, we do not have conditional Depends. But since sysvinit-core is the only existing alternative in stretch, we could use Depends: libpam-systemd | sysvinit-core. It's slighly ugly but would probably do the trick. > It's unfortunate that we don't have a good way to simply be able to > assume that all systemd users have libpam-systemd installed, which is > what I'd really prefer to be able to do here. I am more and more inclined that we should simply make libpam-systemd a hard dependency of either systemd or systemd-sysv. >> Please disable the ssh-session-cleanup.service hack by default if you >> don't want to remove it. Or better, ship it as an example file. > > Compromise proposal: how about I make it do nothing if libpam-systemd is > installed (e.g. "ConditionPathExists=!/usr/share/pam-configs/systemd", > which is probably the simplest available check without needing to deal > with multiarch paths), in which case presumably the hack isn't needed? > (For backports to jessie, such a check would need to be deleted, unless > you plan to backport the ordering fix as requested above.) I'm still pretty much convinced that a hack like this should not be shipped by default, which is totally unnecessary for a default installation. It set's a wrong precedent. If we start piling up hacks like this, in 10 years we are back at that mess that sysvinit has become. Regards, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?
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