Re: avahi-daemon
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 10:26:31AM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
My point of view is that installing the application gets them the
functionalities they'd expect to find in the default setup.
And I agreed that perhaps the rhythmbox community would expect that,
which is why I reconsidered and asked for its removal from the gnome
task. But you were already pissed off and didn't even seem to give any
consideration to the question of whether the rhythmbox community and the
gnome community are the same.
>But you are doing nice in pointing at typical services running on a
>desktop machine:
>- apache2 (and will be even more common with gnome-suer-share and DAV
> file sharing)
>- samba
You think that's part of a typical desktop system? Fascinating.
Yes, I think these are often part of a desktop.
Often is not the same as "should always be installed by default on a
common configuration", even if I agreed with the "often" categorization.
If you find my last arguments were "specious", let me reformulate them for your reading pleasure:
straight:
- I believe other apps typically installed on desktop systems are way
more dangerous that the "big hole" people consider opened by avahi
*none* of the services you listed are installed by a task that a user
would typically select for a desktop system. A person who wants those
things has to select them specifically. You have yet to acknowledge
that.
Concerning your dependencies remarks, I think I've answered to them
enough already: this is a Recommends, nothing pulls in rhythmbox from
a standard install up to a gnome-desktop-environment install, I
proposed dependencies workarounds for most use cases (have a conflict
from security packages, use your own meta-package...).
You haven't really answered them, you've basically just decided that
every gnome user should be a music sharer, and if they don't want it
they should go out of their way to avoid it. IOW, instead of a simple,
common procedure to install that functionality, you advocate an obscure,
complicated one to disable it.
Frankly, you're not considering the arguments I gave on dependencies,
you even ignored them multiple times already, and since the core of
this issue is about dependencies, and the fact that rhythmbox pulls in
avahi by default, I'm not inclined to be interested in continuation of
this discussion.
Umm, I did consider it--that's why I stopped arguing about the rhythmbox
dependency.
If you feel there's a technical problem with the technical choices of a
package or meta-package, bring it as a bug report, linking to this
discussion, and if you don't get maintainer's agreement, please bring
it to a technical committee. It's really here to help take technical
decision where consensus can not be reached.
I feel the technical committee is useless in its current form, so I will
not be doing so. If someone else wants to, that's fine. I had hoped to
simply arrive at some common ground, but you seem to feel that's
impossible at this point.
--
Michael Stone
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