Alvin Oga schrieb am Wednesday, den 29. June 2005: > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Micah Anderson wrote: > > > > i think you can search thru the debian security archives just as > > > easily as i can or in fact even more easily since yu have a debian acct ?? > > > > Did you read the email that I referenced? It doesn't sound like you > > did. > > this is precisely why volunteers disappear I'm sorry I dont understand. Volunteers disappear because they read a message detailing how to volunteer and then don't follow those directions and then disappear? If someone wants to volunteer, then they need to do the things that are detailed about how to get involved, otherwise they are disappearing themselves. I do not understand, the directions are clear, and I reproduce them and the referenced URLs below: Any with a interest in participating are welcome to join the team, Debian Developers and others with the skills and desire to help. The team can be contacted through its mailing list[14]. There is a second mailing list[15] that receives commit messages to our repository. An alioth project page[1] is also available. Have a read of this message[16] if you are interested in participating, the details are there about how to start helping check CANs on a regular basis. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/secure-testing-team http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/secure-testing-commits http://secure-testing.alioth.debian.org/ http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/10/msg00166.html I note that there is no message from you found on the secure-testing-team mailing list. I am unable to find your alioth account, did you sign up for one? Did you email the secure-testing alioth project administrator to be added to the project? Did you check out the svn repository? > of course i read it ... the first yime you posted and the 2nd time when > you sent the same url again .. multiple times for "how to volunteer" Please, where in the details about how to volunteer did you get stuck so we can improve them? > somehow, magically, volunteers can become overnight experts > and no handholding is needed at all or who is doing what You do not need to be an expert, but you do need to be able to follow directions that are detailed for you, if directions do not make sense, ask and they will be cleared up. How magic do you want the process? > i think there has been enough about emails in here.. and since no > proactive direction is being made, i think i'll bow out of volunteering > again .. but will gladly help later when things are more organized and > its clear what the benefits of volunteering hundred of hrs/month would be The benefits of volunteering are also detailed in that email. What sort of proactive direction are you expecting? I think you have it backwards, the proactivity needs to come from you. You are right that the group is still in its infancy in terms of being organized, but how do you expect it to become organized? The only way it will become organized in a volunteer organization is if the volunteers (read: this can be you), proactively organize it. If you wish to wait until everyone else has done the work to organize the group, and then you want to come in and do something you may find that the group is organized a way that you do not like and you will regret that you did not help organize it the way you like. Micah
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