RE: Peace is not off topic
Amen! Couldn't have said it better Raymond. I don't really dislike
Americans per se, but I DO dislike the US government, it's policies and
hyprocisy. Should the US attack Iraq without approval from the UN then the
US, Austalia and UK (and any other participating dickhead governments)
should be completey and utterly have economic sanctions placed on them.
Unfortunately people are greedy, and the corporate empire(s) run everything,
so they get the say - i.e we really don't give a fuck about people and
what's morally right, we just want the MONEY so we'll still trade with the
US etc.
Sure Saddamn Hussein isn't a nice person, but hey...so are lots of other
people. As to weapons of mass destruction, what a load of bullshit. I've
said it before, and i'll say it again, I considered US forces in WWII (and
so far in history) to be the largest war criminals by dropping 2 thermo
nuclear devices over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I'm sure if say...Iraq nuked
major cities in the US "cos it would make the war end quicker" they'd be
condemned world wide. Why the fuck is it different for the US?
Let's have a history tour...shall we? US forces got involved in
Vietnam...Korean war...neither case was warranted, but was driven by drug
money (Vietnam) and fear of "commies" (Korea). Why didn't the US take on
USSR? Cos they'd have gotten their asses whooped big time, same with taking
on China. Let's see what the mighty US government does about North Korea -
those guys won't fuck around. They'll happily nuke US forces if they are
invaded. Don't believe me? Wait for it...
US IS JUST A HUGE BULLY, THAT WANTS EVERYONE TO PLAY BY ITS GAMES
in case you missed it the first time:
US IS JUST A HUGE BULLY, THAT WANTS EVERYONE TO PLAY BY ITS GAMES
I was speaking an an America yesterday thru work, and she'd just visited the
US to see family (she's lived in Australia the past 6 years) and she was
totally unimpressed with the patriot Act, and she indicated to me that MOST
americans are also disliking it. She was also unimpressed with George Bush
jr and the "war with iraq". She even went so far to agree with myself that
US bought on the terrorist acts of September 2001 on itself. As sad as I
feel for those innocent 3500 victims that lost their lives on that
day...they have their US government to blame, not some terrorist group.
Oh..and...think about this:
I believe only 40% or so of Americans voted at the last federal election -
and it was basically split dead even between George Bush jr and Al Gore -
that means George Bush jr *ONLY* got 20% of his countrymens votes. Doesn't
sound convincing to me, or a mandate to assume that he knows what the
american people really want. Sure Clinton fucked up by letting Monica give
him a few blowjobs, but at least Clinton was a *real* president. The USA -
the land of free speech, as long as it doesn't upset your government.
There I said my bit on that matter...
Dave W Pastern
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Wood [mailto:raywood@magma.ca]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 12:16 PM
To: debian-security@lists.debian.org; David Pastern
Subject: Re: Peace is not off topic
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 04:53:41PM -0500, Robert B Wilson imagined:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:23:04 -0800 Ted Parvu <ted@parvu.net> writes:
> > The "Bush Doctrine" clearly spells out that America is now
> > an Empire. "You are either with us or against us."
> When did Bush actually say that America is now an empire? he
> didn't.
Do you think a warmonger like Bush is going to come clean and
spell it out for you? Don't be silly. These people are in the
business of misinformation and propoganda, not wearing their
hearts on their sleeve. Waiter, could I get a reality check
please?
> Bush doesn't want to go to war with Iraq, but he knows that it
> is inevitable.
War is only inevitable if the powers that be aren't *smart
enough* (hence, "morons") to find a peaceful solution. There is
so much deception going on right now on the part of the US
administration in their relations with their citizens, that it
is not funny at all.
Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee Dubya doesn't wanna go to war...
> Who attacked first, the terrorists or the US?
Simple - the US. Wake up and smell the coffee. Do you think
people are willing to sacrifice their lives for nothing?
There's a long history of international abuse and intimidation
(of which most dumb Americans remain blissfully unaware) --
that's one of the reasons that Americans are so despised,
wherever they travel abroad.
> Iraq is known to support terrorism and has been developing
> chemical and biological weapons for years.
Kind of like the USSA, and a lot of other countries I bet. So
what's your point?
[snip]
> > Find this hard to believe? Then you are not paying
> > attention.
> I'm afraid you are the one who has not been paying attention.
> The US can't have peace when there are people with chemical
> and biological weapons who would be willing to die to destroy
> the US.
You're not getting it: *why* are these people willing to give
their lives? I'll bet it's *not* because they are insane
fanatical religious freaks. I'll bet it has more to do with the
US's horrendous foreign policy since WWII. The US cannot expect
to fuck people over again and again and not have it come back on
them sooner or later -- that would be totally illogical. So
what lesson has the current US administration (perhaps we should
just start to refer to them as the 'Junta', as Gore Vidal does)
learned? Nothing. The stupid bastards are going to take the
whole thing to the next level: piss off even more people, and
*increase* the probability of retaliation -- yet again.
Yes Dubya and his cronies truly are truly "morons". What else
can you call behaviour so lacking in basic intelligence?
My $0.02,
Raymond
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