Re: icmp: type-#69
On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, Tim Haynes wrote:
> Cristian Ionescu-Idbohrn <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
> > I noticed (among the more common icmp: echo request) these odd icmp
> > types. The external net, my firewall is connected to, is plagued by
> > smurf-attacks from various sources. So I have tcpdump watching.
> > Of what I gather, this icmp-type should not exist. Can anyone shed some
> > light on this:
> > | 11:49:16.273069 220.127.116.11 > x.y.z.255: icmp: type-#69
> > | 11:54:58.078683 18.104.22.168 > x.y.z.255: icmp: type-#69
> Could you include a complete `tcpdump -X' on one or two of the
> packets, maybe make a series of them available for download in
> libpcap form so I can oogle them in ethereal?
I missed that opportunity. Did not expect to see anything like that. I
would have liked to oogle that stuff in ethereal myself.
> Preferably, also, can you provide an iptables firewall log entry as
> well so we can see more relevant fields?
See, problem is the firewall to my private net is just an old i386
with a processor + ram + nics + floppy (no hard drive or other fancy
stuff). Everything runs out of a ram disk. So there's not enough space
for all that. Logging goes to a virtual console. So it's just a
fullscreen I'm able to see.
> You're right, ICMP type 69 is pretty darn' invalid - a quick
> `ipchains -h icmp' makes it obvious that the highest valid ICMP type
> is 18.
There actually seem to be a few more. See:
> Are you filtering outgoing icmp-parameter-problem types? Because if
> not, I think you probably want to be rate-limiting them (and
> probably all outgoing ICMP and, for that matter, UDP) seriously.
Yes, I do that and drop everything that goes to the broadcast address,
among other things. These (probably) smurf-attacks are really a plague.
> The above does smell like someone attempting to DoS either you, or
> some poor sod in Italy, by sending invalid ICMP to your broadcast
> address to see who responds.
Most of them (the vast majority) are valid icmp: echo requests.
During the passed 75 days uptime, the firewall box dropped:
34M 18G DROP icmp -- eth0 0.0.0.0/0 x.y.z.255
1556K 195M DROP udp -- eth0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 udp dpts:137:139
44279 13M DROP udp -- eth0 z.y.z.0/24 255.255.255.255
It's the 18G that worries me a bit. The ISP folks (incompetent
winblows admins, I guess) don't know/want/care doing anything about
> (There's no guarantee that 62....163 is the real source of the
> packets here;
If my guess is right, and these are smurf-attacks, they're trying to
take down those boxes. I know that some of them are known spam
sources, and taking them down is the maybe right ting to do ;-)
> that's why I want a firewall log so you can check for
> (a) consistent TTLs and (b) realistic TTLs given a comparison
> against traceroute to that IP# - if the TTLs don't match, then you
> know the source IP# has been spoofed so it's an attempt by a *third*
> party to get *you* to DoS *them*.)
I'll try to find a way to get some traces off my firewall box and, if
I see more funny stuff, I'll get back.