Here's another complaint about package installation habits vis-a-vis debian. The excerpt is this, and you can skip the attached parts from which the quote is derived: " the only think that has REALY irked me about debian is they are the only " linux dstro I know of that doesn't seperate ssh from sshd.. and during the " install of ssh on debain it turns sshd ON.. if your setting up a box that " at no point should have even the possibility of being logged into remotely " and all of a sudden sshd is turned on.. it's realy icky... " " blah.. okies.. " end babble :) " Chris " " /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign curious@curious.org -u [Well, this time I *mean* to send to the whole list. GPG key isn't yet distributed, which actually DOES make sense come to think of it ... yet ANOTHER way to use GPG;: sign everything, and don't give out either key, -- ahh, but, does it actually make it what I think it is, harder to make another properly signed message (given some computing power like quantum or DNA computing power or so)? ... and then, when some criminal politician or other says "but you wrote THIS!" slanderous thing, you can just finally release your public key into public; anyway, I'm in key transition, so that's not the issue, but it works for now ...]
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> ** Original Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > ** Original Sender: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@bayview.bayview.org> > ** Original Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:36:33 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... >The original message was received at Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:20:42 -0400 from elmuucp@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- ulomo (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ulomo... User unknown ----- Original message follows -----> ** Original Subject: RE: [techtalk] which distro? > ** Original Sender: Angela Nash <Chick@the-nashes.net> > ** Original Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:44:53 -0400 > ** Original Message follows... >First off...up until this week there was a group working on a linux distro similar to OpenBSD. It was http://www.kha0s.org. It looks like they stopped this week, which is too bad. The OpenBSD team puts a LOT of effort in to the security. Not only is the default install locked down pretty well, but all their default software is code audited by the team to look for problems. This is great. A lot of times there will be an exploit released for a package that OpenBSD fixed months ago. What the linux distributions should do more of, is look at the OpenBSD change logs and follow a lot of their changes to catch things early. And I agree, the default installs should be much more secure. Get rid of this "install everything" approach. Jason -----Original Message-----From: curious [mailto:curious@curious.org] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 5:28 PMTo: Kath Cc: Lyric .; techtalk@linuxchix.org Subject: [techtalk] which distro? I've seen alot of people suggest the "easyist" distro to people who are new.. I used to aswell... until I came across OpenBSD's philosophy which is: secure by default more specificly nothing is turned on unless the user chooses to do so... meaning you can plug the box into the wire while installing and not have to worry about portmappers, insecure cgi-bins, etc... and in doing so leads people who are learning a system to better understand what is going on on a box... (WHY hasn't anyone built a "secure by default" linux distro!!.. grrr) Note: this is my recommendation for someone who realy wants to learn unix (to a strong level) For people who just want to use an "end user" pc by all means choose something like mandrake, caldera, and/or corel personaly I've come to enjoy debian based systems (like storm, debian, and corel) best since I can easly upgrade things over time instead at a given "distribution release" AND they keep thier old version in archive for a long time.. which is nice if your sticking with version "x" and in order to run package "y" you need "z" from "x" you can typicaly get it if you didn't install it before.. Mandrake is HORRIBLE at not keeping old releases the only think that has REALY irked me about debian is they are the only linux dstro I know of that doesn't seperate ssh from sshd.. and during the install of ssh on debain it turns sshd ON.. if your setting up a box that at no point should have even the possibility of being logged into remotely and all of a sudden sshd is turned on.. it's realy icky... blah.. okies.. end babble :) Chris /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign curious@curious.org X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail http://www.curious.org/ / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail "This quote is false." -anon On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Kath wrote: > Since your a newbie, I would recommend Mandrake. > > - Kathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyric ." <lyric340@hotmail..com> > To: <techtalk@linuxchix.org> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:28 PM > Subject: [techtalk] building a new linux mahine > > > > Hey everybody, > > > > I'm relatively new to Linux, ut I've found I've been able to pick up what > I > > need fairly quickly. My problem today is that I plan to buy parts and > build > > a new machine strictly for Linux. I just want to make sure that > everything > > will work by asking whther or not any of you have similar configurations. > > > > First off, I'll be putting together an AMD Duron socket A system using a > > gigabyte board with a via KT133 chipset. The next item is an Asus PCI > SCSI > > card (using a symbios chipset) hooked to 2 seagate 4.3 GB SCSI drives. > > There will be an IDE CD-ROM drive (for installing the system mainly) and a > > floppy drive. It'll probably have 64 Meg of RAM, since that's what I > have > > spare lying around. > > > > If you could let me know if you foresee any problems with this, I would > > greatly appreciate it. I plan to install either Mandrake 7.1 or Debian > 2.2 > > (most likely mandrake though). > > > > Thanks a lot everybody, so far you've all been really helpful. > > > > Anthony > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > techtalk mailing list > > techtalk@linuxchix.org > > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > techtalk mailing list > techtalk@linuxchix.org > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > _______________________________________________ techtalk mailing list techtalk@linuxchix.org http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk _______________________________________________ techtalk mailing list techtalk@linuxchix.org http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com
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