also - i just wrote this: http://advogato.org/article/936.html which may be of interest to you - particularly in light of what you say on the wiki and also i saw on the STS (i think) front page. l. -- -- lkcl.net - visionary, spiritual healer (in training), poet, free software advocate and creative architect -- "Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow." --