Re: Re: bugzilla 2.18-6, sarge candidate
Hi,
Users ask for many things that it's not feasible for us to give them.
The fact is that the diff between 2.16.7-5 and 2.18-6 is 197,000 lines
long; while I accept that many of these changes are improvements,
there is also the possibility of regressions, and bugzilla 2.18 did
not get uploaded to unstable until April 18 -- i.e., 17 days after our
"last call" email went out on d-d-a, and providing only 16 days of
testing of this upstream branch by users of unstable prior to the
freeze (and with four uploads during that period, no less).
I understand why you are arguing for its inclusion, and I realize
(from comments on IRC) that you've put a lot of effort into trying to
get 2.18 ready for sarge, but I'm afraid I just don't see that it's
ready in time, sorry.
I was told that Debian, unlike commercial vendors, release only when it
is ready and do not "rush for releasing on time". I was told that Debian
package versions are old but they are stable. If I need newer version
with more features I need to get something "testing" and "unstable".
Otherwise I need to use a 3+ year old release.
One year from now, I cannot imagine how Debian can promise me my package
is stable. Upstream security fixes most probably fall in the 197,000
lines of changed/moved code. Upgrade scripts from upstream may not work
for jumping over 3 versions, and I need to depend on one coded
specifically for Debian. "How am I going to explain these to my boss,"
not shouted by me but the mass of Debian users (because I am running the
new packaged version even before it is in experimental).
I totally agree that RMs have your procedures, and I believe that I
cannot change your decision anyway. But I really have no choice except
to stay with Debian, no matter how flawed I felt. I like Ubuntu for
desktops, and thanks vorlon. I hope Debian can keep its promise to
provide stable but good enough software, like how Ubuntu achieves its
own set of objectives. I don't think a finite set of written rules is
enough. The decision made by smart people is always smarter. Thanks for
reading.
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Regards,
Alan
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