Since the release-critical bugs in ecartis are not present in the version in sid, would it be possible to get the removal of it from sarge recended? The submitter of bug 178342 has been using an upstream release older than the one in sid (and I think older than what was in sarge) to avoid the problem. -- Blars Blarson blarson@blars.org http://www.blars.org/blars.html With Microsoft, failure is not an option. It is a standard feature.