On jeu. 01 oct. 2015 à 18:48:08, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Thursday, October 01, 2015 02:11:29 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Oct 01, 2015, at 07:47 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > >I am a bit worried that the team is handled behind closed walls. > > > > I have no particular interest in either grabbing power nor in taking power > > away from anybody, but I think there may be some value in making team > > governance more transparent and democratic. Two reasons come to mind: > > > > No one person has to take the heat for uncomfortable decisions. At some > > point decisions have to be made for the good of the team, whether they're > > technical or social. What might be difficult for one person to decide can > > be made easier when the burden of that decision can be shared among duly > > elected representatives. > > > > Team members can have more of a say --and more confidence in-- how the team > > is run. If you elect someone to a leadership role, you're giving your > > support to them to make the tough decisions. And you have the option of > > voting them out at the next election. > > > > I don't think any of that's controversial, given that the Debian project > > itself is both transparent and democratic, and we always have those > > governance rules to fall back on. But that's a pretty heavyweight > > bureaucracy. > > > > Does it make sense to have some lightweight rules for the team? Is there > > precedence within other Debian teams? > > I've been a team member since, I think, 2008. This is the first time we've had > anything like this come up that I recall. I don't think we have a problem > with team members not having enough say as a general rule. > > For the git migration, the people taking the time to do the work or pay > attention to the work and provide feedback are driving what happens when. > There's nothing that being a team administrator has to do with it. > > With the exception of the DPL, Debian is not democratic. It's doacratic. > Let's not mess with that. I frankly disagree. GR is another example of democratic process in Debian. Yes, do-it-o-craty is good, at some point, but this is exactly what brought Thomas out. So nope, it's not enough. I'm not a team member, but I think any team has to get some democratic process inside it if you want it to be fair and efficient, even in hard situations. Cheers. -- PEB
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