On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Donald Stufft <donald@stufft.io> wrote: > > On Mar 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> wrote: > >> On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 17:40:51 Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> Signed by barry@warsaw.us. Show Details >>> TL;DR: Let's re-enable the ensurepip module in Python 3.4, and possibly >>> address some usability issues. We should descend en masse on Montreal >>> and stage a revolt at Pycon. :) >>> >>> Python 3.4 has an `ensurepip` module[1] which implements the specification >>> in PEP 453 regarding the explicit bootstrapping of pip in Python >>> installations[2]. This is promoted as a boon to users, especially on >>> platforms without OS provided package managers, i.e. not Debian. >>> >>> The PEP makes some recommendations for downstreams[3], which we do not >>> currently adopt, and maybe shouldn't fully. Our current Python 3.4 package >>> disables ensurepip at build time. >>> >>> The previous discussion on this subject[4] was extensive, and it may not be >>> worth rehashing that. I just reviewed the thread via Gmane, and AFAICT >>> there is some general consensus: >>> >>> * pip should not be used to install packages "globally", i.e. in the system >>> Python's dist-packages. >> >> Until installing in the user's space is the default, > > I’m ok (as a pip maintainer) with that happening in concept. There’s stuff that > needs to be done and figured out related to how it’ll work in practice, backwards > compatibility, consistency (especially with Windows which we unfortunately do > have to care about). > >> I don't see it as being >> suitable for installation by default. I liked Piotr's idea about an option >> along the lines of -i-know-if-a-break-it-i-keep-both-halves to override that. >> >> Scott K > > ----------------- > Donald Stufft > PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1668 ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA
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