Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o
I was indeed missing the background. As I understand, it all happened
on -private, which I can't read. I actually learned about Norbert's
demotion from DD to DM (which would leave him able to post on Planet)
from a message on -publicity a few weeks ago, and I was completely
unaware that he had been "banned from contributing to, and
communicating with, Debian". In fact, I now read that in another
message in this thread, Joerg has pointed out that this claim of yours
isn't true, and as I read his words, Norbert was and is still a DM.
In the same message, Joerg also reported that a Planet Admin has
confirmed Norbert's removal from Planet. This addresses the concern I
was having. Well, in fact, I would have liked if Jonathan acknowledged
that he shouldn't have acted on his own (Rule 6 actually doesn't state
who is empowered to enforce removals, and I believe that the sensible
interpretation is that it should be left to admins to decide what does
or doesn't violate the community standards, letting any single DD do
that is a recipe for flamewars), but he seems still convinced that he
was right to do so. I disagree, but don't want to start an argument,
so I'll just state it and leave it as that.
Gerardo
Il giorno mer 23 mar 2022 alle ore 14:46 Wouter Verhelst
<wouter@debian.org> ha scritto:
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:35:18AM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
> > I actually believe it would be quite problematic if any single DD were
> > allowed to take actions on another contributor based on their own
> > judgment. That does include the DPL. §5.1.4 isn't applicable here,
> > because there is someone who has responsibility. And the DPL should be
> > more careful than others to respect the project's rules, not less.
>
> While this is accurate, I believe there is a difference here.
>
> Norbert was banned from Debian by the people who are delegated to make
> that decision. He was banned from contributing to, and communicating
> with, Debian.
>
> Personally, I believe that includes Planet Debian as well. While I agree
> that it would be wrong to remove someone from the Planet Debian
> configuration without that background, I think that given this
> background, one could easily say that the non-removal of Norbert from
> Planet Debian was a simple oversight, and that therefore removing him is
> something that anyone can (and should!) do.
>
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