Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote on 23/03/2022 at 17:18:40+0100: > Adam Borowski - 23.03.22, 16:46:48 CET: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:37:27PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> > You're not the first one with the same reaction, so here's why. >> > >> > Norbert publicly lies, writting he's not packaging in Debian "thanks >> > to the da-manager", why should we care? Quite the opposite, isn't >> > it normal to publicly debunk it then? >> >> How would he "lie" by claiming that any new packaging (NEW sources or >> binaries) by him has been hobbled by the da-manager? >> >> That's a pretty undisputable fact, what can be disputed is whether the >> da-manager has been right doing so. >> >> And a number of people has been disagreeing with that, some to the >> point of leaving, temporarily or not, because of the way Norbert gets >> treated. Including prolific contributors, such as Karsten Merker or >> Dmitry Bogatov. > > I am astonished to see, again, how people here seem to project all > badness in the world onto a single former, cause expelled, Debian > developer. Especially one with whom I had zero problems with and one who > contributed a huge lot of work. The amount of work one does/did will never be an excuse for one's behaviour. > I believe it to be about time for people to look into themselves for > their contribution to all of this conflict. It is always easier to bash > someone else, I know, but it does not make Debian a friendlier place to > begin with. It just increases the fear to be bashed for speaking out > one's own truth. I really still hope that Debian community can do better > than that. > > In Debian, and very importantly also in the world, we need more unity, > not more division. But this is only achievable when everyone does their > homework. One important step here would be to be more careful when using > a word like "lies". > > It is clear to me, beyond doubt, that there is disagreement here that > has not been resolved. One can paper over this disagreement with > exercising power. But it does not help the project in the long run. > > There is work to be done. Uneasy work. But important to do, nonetheless. There is disagreement, but not all disagreement has to be sorted out. Regards, -- PEB
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