On 2022/02/21 16:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On February 21, 2022 12:56:43 PM UTC, Jonathan Carter<jcc@debian.org> wrote:On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree. A DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path to suspension or expulsion. I don't have a problem with this. What bothers me is trying to pretend it's something less that's not a big deal.By that logic becoming a DD is a potential step in getting suspended or expelled. It's not the warning that gets people kicked out, it's the continued poor behaviour. If a person takes their DAM warning (and likely at that point requests from other DDs) seriously, then it doesn't have to become a big deal.No. It sounds to me like you are claiming that there's no change in the threshold for being removed due to the previous warning(s) and that's just not true.
Not at all, but it's different than the disciplinary process that you have listed out in your previous mail. In the disciplinary process that you listed, one type of warning explicitly escalated to the next one which eventually leads to you getting fired. In Debian, we don't have such a process laid out. Currently, it might be that one person gets 3 different warnings for different problems that they resolved and then it's never an issue again, and in another case, if someone really crosses a bad line, they could be kicked out without a warning all together.
Now, that of course doesn't mean that a DAM warning isn't without weight, but it counts a lot less on their CV than their actions that would have lead up to it.
-Jonathan