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Re: Debian and Non-Free Services



On 19-09-12 20 h 35, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> 
> 
> On September 12, 2019 5:30:24 PM UTC, Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to move a thread from -devel.
>>
>> Ian Jackson responded [1] to part of a consensus discussion on Git
>> recommendations.  I had said that I think we recommend against the use
>>  of non-free services like Github but do not forbid their use.
>>  Ian disagreed with this recommendation.
>>
>> I responded [2] noting that around 7% of the packages with a vcs-git in
>>  unstable are hosted on Github.
>>
>> Ian said [3] that he was confident if we had a GR to forbid use of
>> services
>>  like Github it would pass.
>>
>> He proposed the following text for such a GR.
>>
>> I think such a discussion is better on -project.
>>
>>  [1]:
>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23927.51367.848949.15475@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>> [2]:
>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tslwoedy93e.fsf_-_@suchdamage.org
>>  [3]:
>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/23930.17192.131171.455527@chiark.greenend.org.uk
>>  
>>  
>>  Subject: Free Software Needs Free Tools
>>
>>  No Debian contributor should be expected or encouraged, when working
>>  to improve Debian, to use non-free tools.  This includes proprietary
>>  web services.  We will ensure this, insofar as it is within Debian's
>>  collective control.
>>
>>  For example, Vcs-Git fields in source packages must not refer to
>>  proprietary git code management systems.  Non-Debian services are
>>  acceptable here so long as they are principally Free Software.
>>
>>  We encourage all our upstreams to use Free/Libre tools.
>>
>>  We recognise that metadata in Debian which describes the behaviour
>>  of those outside our community, for example fields which refer to
>>  upstream source management systems, may (in order to be accurate)
>>  still need to refer to proprietary systems.
> 
> It's based on a false premise.  No one is forced to use any VCS to maintain Debian packages.  If you don't want to talk to GitHub, send a patch to the BTS

While I do sympathise with the idea of not having Debian package on
Github, I have to agree with Scott here.

I think I would end up voting against such a GR because the use of Git
isn't mandatory.

If we already had a GR enforcing the use of Git, I think it would only
make sense to make the use of salsa.debian.org mandatory. It seems we
aren't there yet though.

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