[Moving this to -project, where it belongs; please follow up only there, not on -user or -devel.] On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote: > Why doesn't Debian just do a GR on this issue? Because for a GR, a member of Debian has to request it and it needs to be seconded by at least 5 other members (constitution 4.2.1, 4.2.7). This has not happened. > It would be interesting to see what the devs/maintainers would vote for, > and it might give everyone quite a bit a of re-assurance and > piece-of-mind. Given that there have not been 6 members asking for this vote, I don't see a lot of unrest. > Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this issue be > a case in which significant concerns from/of the users about an issue > might initiate a GR? No. Debian is a very elitist organization. The members decide what to do, and nobody else does. As a whole we rule over our users with enlightened absolutism. The main difference with rulers of countries is that our users can go away more easily. ;-) Debian is extremely democratic for its members, but it is utterly undemocratic for its users. And there's nothing wrong with that, IMO. > Wouldn't it speak loudly for Debian and its ways and for what it > stands for, or used to stand for, if it was established procedure that > issues arising significant concerns amongst the users can lead to a > GR? I'll speak for myself here: I don't really care about the init system. I am unhappy with the emotions that this debate is causing, but I'm not very interested in the technical parts. From what I see on the mailing lists, it seems that a few users are very unhappy and they keep bringing this up. But if this would be a big issue for many people, then there should be no problem finding 6 members to start a GR (our members are users, too). That still hasn't happened, so I conclude that it isn't a big issue. > I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst > the users (here). And after all, we're all kinda stuck in the same > boat. A GR might have the potential to make the gap between users and > devs/maintainers a lot smaller. Otherwise, this gap will only continue > to become wider and wider. There are many members. If you can't manage to convince 6 of them, we don't consider it a big issue. You may disagree, but that's Debian's rules. Thanks, Bas
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