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Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

Hi Steve,

Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> (2013-10-26):
> Was discussing with one of the listmasters (Alexander Wirt) on IRC today
> about mailing list bans, because it turns out that someone I was just about
> to ask the listmasters to ban from debian-devel had just been blocked in
> response to a request from someone else.
> This led to a philosophical debate about whether bans should be made public.
> Alexander expressed concern that having them published could be harmful to a
> person's reputation, since employers will google your name and see that
> you've been banned from a large project such as Debian.
> I think we should publish them, for several reasons:
>  - Debian is not responsible for the reputation of someone who has gotten
>    themselves banned for their behavior; their reputation is already in the
>    mud if employers read their actual posts to the Debian lists.
>  - It brings closure to the rest of our community to know that action has
>    been taken against an abuser, showing that we've stood up for the
>    principle of civil discourse and that the problem hasn't just gone away
>    on its own because a troll got bored.
>  - It gives Debian contributors confidence that bad behavior doesn't have to
>    be silently endured as a cost of participating in Debian lists.
>  - It improves *Debian's* reputation to the rest of the world, by showing
>    that our mailing lists are not "anything goes".
>  - It provides a reference point for newcomers to the Debian community to
>    judge their actions by, to understand what kinds of things will get them
>    banned from participation (although I expect few of the people who need
>    such guidance will actually take advantage of it...)
>  - It casts sunlight on the kinds of decisions that the listmasters are
>    making WRT bans, so that we collectively have oversight of these
>    decisions and can ensure our principles are being applied fairly and
>    consistently.
> So I don't think bans need to be posted anywhere prominent like
> debian-devel-announce, but I do think basic facts like who is banned, for
> how long, and the rationale (with links to specific mailing list posts as
> reference) should be made public.
> What do the rest of you think?

looks very reasonable to me, thanks for writing that down.


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