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relationship with Ubuntu - call for feedback

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Dear Developers,
  1.5 years ago I attended UDS (the Ubuntu Developer Summit) and
presented there a summary of the goods and bads of the relationships
among Debian and Ubuntu. To refresh your memory you might look at my old
call for feedback [1], the summary of the answers I got, and a report of
the trip [3].

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/04/msg00069.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/05/msg00083.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/05/msg00084.html

18 months later --- and also because the next slot will be well past the
end of the current DPL term --- I think that it'd be good to summarize
how and if relationships among Debian and Ubuntu have evolved. That's
why I've accepted the kind invitation to attend next UDS, which will
take place from October 31 to November 4, 2011 (~ 10 days from now).

There, I'll be happy to take part in the usual F2F session to discuss
the status of the relationships among the two distros. I'll also have a
brief plenary speech to present Debian's views on the matter to a mixed
audience of Ubuntu members, Canonical employees, and upstream

To represent Debian's views instead of only my own, I'm looking for
feedback on how do you think relationships among the two projects have
evolved in the past 18 months. I'll surely mention that many of the
initiatives we are now doing for *all* Debian derivatives out there
sprinkled from the idea of setting up a "front desk" in Debian for
Ubuntu people. Idea that we then generalized, with very useful results.

More generally, I'd like to hear from you about:

- if and how the relationships among Debian and Ubuntu have changed in
  the past 18 months

- success stories of good collaboration among the two projects

- epic fails about bad collaborations among the two projects

- any other desiderata or suggestion you might have to improve
  collaboration among the two projects

As a more specific request, I'm also looking for help in collecting
numerical figures about how work is flowing among Debian and Ubuntu. In
particular, if you have data handy that could show the *evolution over
time* of stuff like:

- number of patches originating in one project and accepted in the

- number of people active in one project becoming active in the other

- etc.

I'd like to hear from you. If you don't have those data handy but you're
willing to collect them for me, ... even better :-) You'll have my
gratitude and you'd help in giving substance to existing gut feelings,
which is always good.

If you'd like to discuss the above publicly, I suggest doing so on
-derivatives.  If OTOH you want to point me to specific episodes you'd
like to remain private, feel free to mail me at leader@d.o.

Many thanks in advance for your help,
Stefano Zacchiroli     zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} . o .
Maître de conférences   ......   http://upsilon.cc/zack   ......   . . o
Debian Project Leader    .......   @zack on identi.ca   .......    o o o
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