Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
- To: email@example.com
- Subject: Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes
- From: Marc Haber <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:44:58 +0200
- Message-id: <[🔎] 20090804154458.GD18686@torres.zugschlus.de>
- In-reply-to: <20090730095135.GB11171@rivendell>
- References: <20090729010802.GA29421@melusine.alphascorpii.net> <20090730064541.GE29901@foghorn.stateful.de> <20090730071626.GC2911@torres.zugschlus.de> <20090730083746.GA11171@rivendell> <20090730090758.GE2911@torres.zugschlus.de> <20090730095135.GB11171@rivendell>
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Marc Haber wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:37:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > What we're speaking of is synergy between both distributions. You know the
> > > it's the principle behind “the combination of both is worth more that the
> > > sum of individual parts”.
> > What kind of synergy could Debian get from Ubuntu which it couldn't
> > get in the past? I surely haven't seen any in the past.
> As you might have noticed, Ubuntu is used by lots of people and
> they start having some influence on upstream projects. Those projects do
> some effort to ensure that Ubuntu has a good version of their software
> (sometimes by using a version that does not come from Debian sid).
> If Ubuntu and Debian used the same version, the incentive would be even
> bigger to publish a really good version because it's going to be used
> very widely in the next 3 years.
> Also in many cases, Ubuntu and Debian teams can't fully collaborate
> because they do not target the same upstream version, freezing at the same
> time should make it possible to achieve this goal.
I still see that Ubuntu gets more benefit from that decision. Also,
the release team's stunning silence to questions asked about their
decisions makes me wonder.
> > > We'll keep our user base
> > That's what I doubt. Ubuntu LTS will be better than Debian stable in
> > all aspects, why should anybody continue using Debian stable?
> Why are you using Debian and not Ubuntu?
Because I'm a dinosaur who doesn't like changing things.
> I'm also quite convinced that by doing better communication/marketing
> that explains what we are, we can continue to attract new users and new
We have always sucked at communicating. The timed freeze issue is a
good example for that.
Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header
Mannheim, Germany | lose things." Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 3221 2323190