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Re: Draft vote on constitutional issues

Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Sat May 02 00:32, Luk Claes wrote:

>> PS: There is a reason why I send the mail about the definitions of the 
>> terms even if Kurt as well as you seem to ignore it.
> I posted a while back citing several types of vote option [0], with some
> examlpes. I'm maybe not using the terminology you'd like, but I hope
> you can see what I mean. Here they are again:
> 1. Option X conforms to a foundation document (clearly not 3:1)
> 2. Option X changes a foundation document (clearly 3:1)
> 3. Option X overrides a foundation document, possibly temporarily (?)

Not possible. You can only override a decision and amending a foundation
document is the previous option.

> 4. Option X is declared not to be in conflict with a foundation document (?)
> 5. Option X conflicts with a foundation document, but explicitly doesn't
>    want to override the FD (?)
> 6. Option X would appear that it might contradict an FD, but doesn't say
>    which of 2-5 it is.

4-6 are normal position statements AFAICS.

> 1. and 2. are what we wish every vote were like.
> 3. is things like "we agree that the kernel modules aren't free, but
> we'll ship them anyway" or "we'll ship them for this release".

This one would be in 4-6 AFAICS.

> 4. is things like "we think that firmware can be its own source, so
> shipping blobs is fine"
> 5. is something like "Allow Lenny to release with  firmware blobs.  This
> does not override the DFSG", which I don't think makes any sense.

One cannot override a document.

As the DFSG is a document that state our guidelines of what is free, I
don't see how it would get changed even temporary when we would have a
vote on 'Allow Lenny to release with firmware blobs'.

> Now, I understand you don't like the use of 'override' when describing
> option 3, I'm happy to describe it as something else, but _I_ think that
> the constitution at the moment requires 3:1 majority for this sort of
> vote. I know other people are equally certain it does not, but this is
> why I want to clarify it one way or another, to avoid future upset.

Well, what I propose to do is to read the constitution and use its terms
instead, which would ease these discussions a lot AFAICS.



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